Maersk are at it again. (Redundancies?)
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I've heard 10 redundancies.
Obviously will be last in first out, so probably all will be CRJ pilots, which then means redundancy payouts plus retraining 737 pilots on the CRJ. When will airlines learn that making people redundant COSTS MONEY, and if its just a short term measure, such as post 9/11 in so many airlines, it just ends creating a big, bloody mess.
Does anyone know if there is going to be a redundancy consultation eg) look for voluntary redundancies / retirements / part time, or will they simply boot out the bottom 10?
Good luck to all, I know from recent experience what a ball ache it all is.
Obviously will be last in first out, so probably all will be CRJ pilots, which then means redundancy payouts plus retraining 737 pilots on the CRJ. When will airlines learn that making people redundant COSTS MONEY, and if its just a short term measure, such as post 9/11 in so many airlines, it just ends creating a big, bloody mess.Does anyone know if there is going to be a redundancy consultation eg) look for voluntary redundancies / retirements / part time, or will they simply boot out the bottom 10?
Good luck to all, I know from recent experience what a ball ache it all is.
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Oh my...here we have real 'experienced airline execs' (aka, pilots) making a determination about fleet types...NOT.
Maersk did not get to be the carrier they are while listening to line pilots.
The CRJ makes CASH, plain and simple, inspite of what some pilots think.
Don't sprain your brains guys, let the company execs do the fleet planning.
Maersk did not get to be the carrier they are while listening to line pilots.
The CRJ makes CASH, plain and simple, inspite of what some pilots think.
Don't sprain your brains guys, let the company execs do the fleet planning.
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What exactly do you know about Maersks exec decisions 411A? Do you stand behind all management decisions? A sign of a good manager is someone that listens instead of blindly following beliefs. If pilots do know something and Im not suggesting that they are correct but then shouldn't a manager at least lend an ear. After all many a company has gone down the pan through a management decision, yet how many have come a cropper through a pilots decision affecting the company?
It is too early to tell whether pilots views are justified but I do get bloody annoyed when some people jump on the bandwagon about how all executive decisions cannot be questioned and are cast in stone!
What exactly do you know about Maersks exec decisions 411A? Do you stand behind all management decisions? A sign of a good manager is someone that listens instead of blindly following beliefs. If pilots do know something and Im not suggesting that they are correct but then shouldn't a manager at least lend an ear. After all many a company has gone down the pan through a management decision, yet how many have come a cropper through a pilots decision affecting the company?
It is too early to tell whether pilots views are justified but I do get bloody annoyed when some people jump on the bandwagon about how all executive decisions cannot be questioned and are cast in stone!
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Sadly, 411A is right- most line pilots wouldn't have the first idea about the operating specifics of any fleet, and only the most basic awareness of airline economics in general. Fleet decisions based on passion are unlikely to be good ones.
BTW 411A loved the bit about "Maersk did not get to be the carrier they are while listening to line pilots. The carrier they are? Downsizing rapidly, shedding staff, getting rid of their (potentially) most profitable aircraft? if that is success... give me Ryanair (oh no I uttered the evil name...
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BTW 411A loved the bit about "Maersk did not get to be the carrier they are while listening to line pilots. The carrier they are? Downsizing rapidly, shedding staff, getting rid of their (potentially) most profitable aircraft? if that is success... give me Ryanair (oh no I uttered the evil name...
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take_that is right.
What the hell did PPRUNE do while I was flying? I started a topic which has been edited, title interfered with. This is like some institution now.
KEEP OFF MY WORDS MODERATOR! STAY AWAY, I SAY WHAT I LIKE, IT'S FREE SPEECH, DEMOCRACY.
411A is not worth commenting about. He's a rogue, a vulture that's waiting for something to pick bloody pieces of meat off.
Don't relate to him, he's ideas are not shared by anyone else!
What the hell did PPRUNE do while I was flying? I started a topic which has been edited, title interfered with. This is like some institution now.
KEEP OFF MY WORDS MODERATOR! STAY AWAY, I SAY WHAT I LIKE, IT'S FREE SPEECH, DEMOCRACY.
411A is not worth commenting about. He's a rogue, a vulture that's waiting for something to pick bloody pieces of meat off.
Don't relate to him, he's ideas are not shared by anyone else!
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No one in the company has said there will be redundancies, the fleet will be rationalised, there are new routes with a couple more coming but all we have here is doom and gloom.
Seems to me that the loads mean this makes sense, not doom.
It is bad news if you are a 737 crew at Maersk, as you won't be flying the aircraft you want to. Most, if not all of those guys will keep their jobs.
The new guys in training should be concerned but its way too early to say it is bad news.
Seems to me that the loads mean this makes sense, not doom.
It is bad news if you are a 737 crew at Maersk, as you won't be flying the aircraft you want to. Most, if not all of those guys will keep their jobs.
The new guys in training should be concerned but its way too early to say it is bad news.
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"crew utilisation would be increased"
Stands to reason if you spend very little time thinking about it..... If you have one aircraft of each type but require 5 crews for each (4 to fly and one to standby) then by combining the aircraft type you'll probably get away with 9 crews hence saving one. Whilst you clearly can't use this same formula for many many aircraft since you'll need to have more than one standby crew for your 40 aircraft easyjet type operstion (they'd probably like to try it.... hehe) there will nonetheless be savings to be made.
Stands to reason if you spend very little time thinking about it..... If you have one aircraft of each type but require 5 crews for each (4 to fly and one to standby) then by combining the aircraft type you'll probably get away with 9 crews hence saving one. Whilst you clearly can't use this same formula for many many aircraft since you'll need to have more than one standby crew for your 40 aircraft easyjet type operstion (they'd probably like to try it.... hehe) there will nonetheless be savings to be made.
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a few points from the forum,
redundancies may be reduced slightly in anticipation of more fleet utilisation and more routes next year. In other words they are going to try to avoid the fire and then hire fiasco we just went through.
we will all have to work harder but not? up to the max 900 hrs!
No payrises and I definately heard the words "no increments" !!!!!!!!!!
plenty of talk about what the companies planning without any specifics
Alot of positive talk as one would expect but don't expect to see any 737 types for a long time.
redundancies may be reduced slightly in anticipation of more fleet utilisation and more routes next year. In other words they are going to try to avoid the fire and then hire fiasco we just went through.
we will all have to work harder but not? up to the max 900 hrs!
No payrises and I definately heard the words "no increments" !!!!!!!!!!
plenty of talk about what the companies planning without any specifics
Alot of positive talk as one would expect but don't expect to see any 737 types for a long time.
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A company that cannot afford wages (proper wages) is seriously in TROUBLE. Maersk has run it's course, it's been wounded and can not/will not recover.
Maersk will be out of business this time next year, because there's no more backing from the Danes.
There's no use listening to any of the management cr@p anymore, why should the pilots/cabin crew carry the airline, when it's meant to be the other way.
I doubt PS is working for nowt so even a year will do fine, thank you very much, but why should pilots fly for less than they deserve?
What's loyalty for if it shafts you in the end?
Go and disperse everyone, there's nothing left here for you.
Maersk will be out of business this time next year, because there's no more backing from the Danes.
There's no use listening to any of the management cr@p anymore, why should the pilots/cabin crew carry the airline, when it's meant to be the other way.
I doubt PS is working for nowt so even a year will do fine, thank you very much, but why should pilots fly for less than they deserve?
What's loyalty for if it shafts you in the end?
Go and disperse everyone, there's nothing left here for you.
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Sorry Guys,
we've got a private company forum for this sort of thing. So lets keep it there eh? Anyone who is company and doesn't have access can get it via the mods, anyone else posting here is just a ****stirr*r.
save it.
we've got a private company forum for this sort of thing. So lets keep it there eh? Anyone who is company and doesn't have access can get it via the mods, anyone else posting here is just a ****stirr*r.
save it.
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Hmmmn, quite right DT.
Gentelmen and gentle ladies I suggest we take this to the company forum. If you're staff and want access then I need your login id, your real name and staff number. Don't worry I'm not management and I don't care what you think as long as you stick within the guidelines as advocated by PPRUNE,
E-mail those to me at [email protected] and I will allow you access. Most of you should already have access though.
No need to air our washing in public.
Cheers
BJ
Gentelmen and gentle ladies I suggest we take this to the company forum. If you're staff and want access then I need your login id, your real name and staff number. Don't worry I'm not management and I don't care what you think as long as you stick within the guidelines as advocated by PPRUNE,
E-mail those to me at [email protected] and I will allow you access. Most of you should already have access though.
No need to air our washing in public.
Cheers
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Bluejet, DeeTee,
The whole point of this PPRUNE vehicle is to be able to say things that you COULDN'T if your name was known.
To give my name to the Maersk forum is something I don't feel I could cope with, so I am forced to write here and wash dirty linen in public.
You can change this by letting people join the Maersk forum without having to give their real name, so problem's solved.
When you join PPRUNE you don't have to give your details, so why should we for any other forum?
The whole point of this PPRUNE vehicle is to be able to say things that you COULDN'T if your name was known.
To give my name to the Maersk forum is something I don't feel I could cope with, so I am forced to write here and wash dirty linen in public.
You can change this by letting people join the Maersk forum without having to give their real name, so problem's solved.
When you join PPRUNE you don't have to give your details, so why should we for any other forum?
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Hmmm, think skyclamp has his/her knickers in a twist with the ".......fly for less than we deserve..." line of BS.
Companies will pay the going rate, never mind what pilots think.
Has always been, always will.
'Tis called supply and demand, plain and simple.
Companies will pay the going rate, never mind what pilots think.
Has always been, always will.
'Tis called supply and demand, plain and simple.