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Everyone......stop moaning at each other, we should all be working together as a team to get the aircraft out on time, the only organisations up and down the country that are not, are the airports. As I have said time and time again in these fora, our airports are close now to be the worst in the world, we are always playing catch-up with the facilities, not just at MAN but LGW,LHR etal.....I am ashamed to be a Brit.
And Cainan, as an airline currently handled by your goodselves, thankyou for just departing my transatlantic flight ontime,in fact EARLY, for the 30th day running.
Everyone...beat up the airports and their lack of proper and timely finance, they are the only ones making money in this industry, no one else.........
And Cainan, as an airline currently handled by your goodselves, thankyou for just departing my transatlantic flight ontime,in fact EARLY, for the 30th day running.
Everyone...beat up the airports and their lack of proper and timely finance, they are the only ones making money in this industry, no one else.........
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LITOW,
I agree with what you are saying, but when I mentioned the issue of licensing, I meant that if it was a legal requirement for dispatchers to hold a license, then we might just get a bit more respect from the jumped up drivers that think we are just wannabe pilots or spotters or just plain stoopid in the way we get spoken to, as they would realise we had to sit exams to get our license too, just as they did.
I know that it wouldn't change the fact that there are staff and equipment shortages, but at least we might get spoken to like human beings rather than a piece of dog $h!t.
I agree with what you are saying, but when I mentioned the issue of licensing, I meant that if it was a legal requirement for dispatchers to hold a license, then we might just get a bit more respect from the jumped up drivers that think we are just wannabe pilots or spotters or just plain stoopid in the way we get spoken to, as they would realise we had to sit exams to get our license too, just as they did.
I know that it wouldn't change the fact that there are staff and equipment shortages, but at least we might get spoken to like human beings rather than a piece of dog $h!t.
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If nobody objects may I add the view of someone who is not currently employed within the business (recent views noted). When I flew as cabin crew I often assisted the caterers and loaders on tight turnarounds (admittedly this is easier on ATR's). If we were looking for a bag I'd search the forward hold whilst the loaders would search the back. I didn't experience any hostility from them that I was doing their job. We all had a common objective, to get the aircraft away as quickly as possible. One a multi sector day I'd clean the aircraft as much as possible before landing to speed up the turn around, often just handing a bag of rubbish to the loaders after opening the door and signing the chit without requiring them to do anything. It wasn't often I was late back, working as a team and using a bit of initiative you can sometimes make a lot of difference to the time you get home.
Licensed Despatchers won't make any difference until the handling agents appreciate the value of trained and experienced personnel. Since I stopped flying (after doing a few years on everything from ATR's to 74's) I've tried to get work on the ground after completing my C&G 7280 Advanced course in airline ops which includes W&B etc. The handling agents aren't interested. You have to go in at the bottom (minimum wage) and apply for the despatchers job in turn acording to length of service. The impression I get is that even if you have to be licensed they'll just take the next person on the list and give them the basic training necessary to get the bit of paper at the cheapest cost. You still wouldn't get what you think you're going to get as a despatcher. I wouldn't blame those that got the job, we all take what we can get and some of them I've worked with are extremely good at their job. Unfortunately it also means that with or without a licence you can get a despatcher with minimal skills and experience. Yes I know it sounds like hard cheese/bitterness on my part, maybe it is, I'm human as well. Thats my experience though. Work as a team but don't shoot the messenger, they all do their best and it's not their fault if their not what you expect.
Licensed Despatchers won't make any difference until the handling agents appreciate the value of trained and experienced personnel. Since I stopped flying (after doing a few years on everything from ATR's to 74's) I've tried to get work on the ground after completing my C&G 7280 Advanced course in airline ops which includes W&B etc. The handling agents aren't interested. You have to go in at the bottom (minimum wage) and apply for the despatchers job in turn acording to length of service. The impression I get is that even if you have to be licensed they'll just take the next person on the list and give them the basic training necessary to get the bit of paper at the cheapest cost. You still wouldn't get what you think you're going to get as a despatcher. I wouldn't blame those that got the job, we all take what we can get and some of them I've worked with are extremely good at their job. Unfortunately it also means that with or without a licence you can get a despatcher with minimal skills and experience. Yes I know it sounds like hard cheese/bitterness on my part, maybe it is, I'm human as well. Thats my experience though. Work as a team but don't shoot the messenger, they all do their best and it's not their fault if their not what you expect.
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This thread has taken a bit of a turn. From slagging handling agents off to supporting them ! I hope that flight deck staff do respect the work done on the ground and if this makes one re consider his / her actions before mouthing it off, then it has been worth it. For those who choose to ignore the experiences highlighted, then I have no time for you!
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Here speaketh a passenger.
A week last Thursday I was booked out of Helsinki to Amsterdam. We got called to board - and then nothing happened. I looked out of the gate lounge window and saw two people looking intently at a wheel. One was the FO. Then we got a delay announcement. Apologies - we have to change a wheel.
I watched. The wheel change took 9 minutes (plus 3 minutes from when I looked to when the replacement arrived). During the process the FO assisted by rolling the removed tyre away, pulling the new tyre off its dolly and rolling it to the engineers. When it was all finished the FO and the ground engineers shook hands, patted each other on the back, and we boarded. We arrived AMS on time.
That's an airline I'll use again whenever I can
A week last Thursday I was booked out of Helsinki to Amsterdam. We got called to board - and then nothing happened. I looked out of the gate lounge window and saw two people looking intently at a wheel. One was the FO. Then we got a delay announcement. Apologies - we have to change a wheel.
I watched. The wheel change took 9 minutes (plus 3 minutes from when I looked to when the replacement arrived). During the process the FO assisted by rolling the removed tyre away, pulling the new tyre off its dolly and rolling it to the engineers. When it was all finished the FO and the ground engineers shook hands, patted each other on the back, and we boarded. We arrived AMS on time.
That's an airline I'll use again whenever I can
