Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Airline Pilots and Controllers lose out

Wikiposts
Search
Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Airline Pilots and Controllers lose out

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 28th Sep 2002, 10:37
  #1 (permalink)  

Keeping Danny in Sandwiches
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: UK
Age: 76
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Airline Pilots and Controllers loose out

I see in todays Daily Telegraph (28 September page 7)that of the to 20 earners in the Uk Pilots have had a 36.3% increase, ATC planners and controllers 33.9% compared to General Managers (i.e your boss 110.4%.
The two groups had the smallest increase in the top 20.
Source Office of National Statistics.

And I've now found the link:

http://www.hbosplc.com/media/pressre...2-09-28-00.asp

Last edited by sky9; 28th Sep 2002 at 12:25.
sky9 is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2002, 13:47
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Far Side
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The main reason for compensation erosion is predatory pricing in the industry.

Quite regularly an airline will try to steal a march on the competition and start a price war.
Those with the deepest pockets feel that they can put seats on the market at below cost and drive the competition with shallower pockets out of the market, and then raise fares to recoup.

More often than not this does not work, and all concerned take a bath.
The affected airlines then go to the employees and ask for concessions "to ensure the survival of the airline".

What should happen is that the managers should be made to pay for their costly mistakes, not the employees.

There should be some form of control on below cost dumping of seat capacity on the market, as this negatively impacts on the long term viability of the whole industry, as well as the employees.
ZQA297/30 is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2002, 17:12
  #3 (permalink)  

Keeping Danny in Sandwiches
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: UK
Age: 76
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The survey also shows that we pilots have gone from 2nd to 5th in the league most of the other professions staying the same except for those money grabbing barristers who went from 8th to 2nd.
We really do have a low concept of our own worth.
sky9 is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2002, 17:17
  #4 (permalink)  
Paid up
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 601
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ten years of aggressive trades unionism is the only way to climb back up the league.
Gin Slinger is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2002, 19:51
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Dubai
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thumbs up

Fellow Pilots........................

Trade unionism was a effective tool in the 20th century. We have to unite worldwide and get what we deserve. I can see it coming not too far in the future when we have a worldwide pilots agitation. That alone can solve our problems.
status is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2002, 20:28
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Inside the M25
Posts: 2,404
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well, whilst I'm not going to turn away money offered, do we really feel that pilots should be the fifth highest paying profession?

Actually, come to think of it, should barristers be the second highest?!

Young Paul is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2002, 20:57
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Near Stalyvegas
Age: 78
Posts: 2,022
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Looking at Alf Garnets' grand-daughter....
No way Jose
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
chiglet is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2002, 21:18
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Don't forget that whilst the demand for pilots (and to a lesser extent atcos), is cyclic and dependant on the economy, there will always be a need for barristers to defend us when we turn to crime when times are hard..........
goatgruff is offline  
Old 29th Sep 2002, 05:38
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Poole, Dorset,UK
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When I started with a company called BOAC in the sixties, a lot of the pilots had become barristers by working in their spare time. God knows what they would be earning now by being on the top ten list twice!
bunkabuser retired from the top ten
bunkabuser is offline  
Old 29th Sep 2002, 09:19
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Age: 74
Posts: 87
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Whilst sympathetic to the title, I notice that Engineers don't rank at all! Luckily we're not in the lower 20. And as the beancounters continue to "save costs" there'll be less of us. And we'll still be on lousy money. And as for the other unfortunates, loaders, dispatchers etc.......
WideBodiedEng is offline  
Old 30th Sep 2002, 11:21
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: On a windy hill.
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sounds about right to me. Never ever devalue yourselves!
If anybody else wants to be number five on the list by the way then there is nuthin stopping you, (other than massive personal and financial commitment, risk, oh and one of the worlds most competitive job markets.) But like I said, wanna do it, nuthin stopping ya!
checkthrust is offline  
Old 30th Sep 2002, 12:06
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: The ethereal plane
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Notice all the professions in the top ten are PAYE.
I know an excellent plasterer who easily makes 100K 'cash in hand' working in London.
I make a good salary but that nice Mr Brown takes most of it ( even more next year )
Right. I'm off to Wickes.....
Zeitgebers is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.