NIGHT LANDINGS AT FNC can it be done?
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NIGHT LANDINGS AT FNC can it be done?
Just recently I learned that the commercial boys in our company are planning late flights to FNC Madeira. I think that day time operations are challenging us enough. Are there any operators Portugese, UK or others who have experience with night landings at FNC?. Are there additional qualifications required by the Portugese CAA, or is the standard checkout enough?.
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Night landings are permitted. The airline must apply for special permission from Portuguese CAA. This is given to airlines (including foreign airlines) that have a history of regular flights and wide experience of the airport during the day. Extra crew qualifications, like night sim rides, not required.
Been to FNC quite a few times a while ago and often wondered why we didn't go there at night. However, whatever the time of day (or night!) it can be a challenging airfield to operate from.
Just a point though - the surface winds at night may well be lighter but theory says that you get more windshear on the approach at night compared to day since the change from geostrophic wind takes place over a thinner layer as the friction layer is thinner at night.
Perhaps you should watch for that awkward shear more at night than by day - don't be misled by the light surface winds!!
Just a point though - the surface winds at night may well be lighter but theory says that you get more windshear on the approach at night compared to day since the change from geostrophic wind takes place over a thinner layer as the friction layer is thinner at night.
Perhaps you should watch for that awkward shear more at night than by day - don't be misled by the light surface winds!!
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Thanks for all the replies until now. I wonder if you would be able to detect down& updrafts so easy at night, since there are less visual clues to look at.
I found the ride in the sim (Day&Night) under the worst possible circumstances quite revealing.......
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I found the ride in the sim (Day&Night) under the worst possible circumstances quite revealing.......
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It used to be banned by the UK CAA but no more. I flew in there at night about 15 years ago when flying for a Scandanavian company - not only night landings but night stops as well. I always found it was far less traumatic flying in there at night, the wind effects always seemed far smaller to me. Of course, this was before the new runway. Although it is longer, the approach to 23 is much closer to the hill.
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FNC should always be given the respect that it deserves. The longer runway may make some people feel better but it can persuade some pilots to persevere with an approach that they should throw away.