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Old 18th Nov 2002, 20:10
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John Frohnsdorff was elected as GS until such time as a replacement was found. Next Sunday (24th Nov) the reasons that John was prevented from accepting the post are no longer valid. Will John be taking over the reins until a new GS is found?

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Old 19th Nov 2002, 17:59
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Understand a new Gs is on its way.Is anyone aware out there that the flight engineers have been stuffed by Balpa ,and have been excluded from any BA pay deal.Any info anbody ?
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Old 19th Nov 2002, 20:17
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The E/Os have not been excluded from the BA pay proposal. The deal involves them being on identical terms to an SFO but capped at pp16. Personally, I don't see why the cap. (Especially when you bear in mind there are only 12 flying and 10 non-flying E/Os left in BA).

Apart from that, fine job by the negotiators in BALPA, IMHO. S'what we pay them for.
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Old 20th Nov 2002, 16:46
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Thanks NW1.Does anyone in BALPA know why the Pay was capped at Pay point 16. The F/es i know have so far been kept in the Darke ! (Whoops) Not a happy bunch.
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Old 21st Nov 2002, 13:56
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I think you'll find the FE CAP @ PP16 has been addressed. Rather than the alleged "BALPA stuffs FEs" I think you'll find that, after the initial proposals, a consequence for FEs that had been overlooked was pointed out... and that it was now being addressed.

In that the final details have not been sent out yet, it is a bit early to say that x y or z has "been stuffed"... However, given the task, the package BALPA seems to have negotiated is great for almost all the present and future pilots of BA...

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Old 22nd Nov 2002, 14:54
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Those of you who are against Andy Gilchrist need your heads examining. In asking for 40%, the FBU know that they will probably end up with 15-20%. BALPA, during the Darke Ages, would have asked for 5% and negotiated that down to 1.4%. We may have white collars but we are (especially at BA) the ultimate piece-rate workers. Finally, in Britain, a union leader has stood up and said that his members are worth a professional wage for a professional job. Gilchrist has displayed conviction and leadership, which is far more than can be said about our last GS.

M.Mouse - have you swallowed the Daily Mail? What would the papers make of our working practises? "Lazy pilots that only work 20 hours a week, have 2 weeks off a month, anyway, the computer does everything, retire at 55 to a chateau in France, kids in private school, daughter has a pony, etc..."
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Old 2nd Dec 2002, 09:10
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Well, still no General Secretary.

The point about the FBU is that they ELECTED Andy Gilchrist. We are wating for an appointee who, as such, will be a politically weaker Gen Sec.

My view is that we should have an election and get things moving again.

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Would the supporters of Mr Gilchrist please explain why the highly paid representative of the FBU should attend a left wing anti-war protest, spout off about "bombing the innocent women and children of Iraq", announce that he wishes to change the government of the country and then still be allowed to keep his job?

If the FBU want that sort of representation they should call back Arthur, "everyone that disagrees with me is a class traitor", Scargill.

I can now see why he displays a photgraph of a dead Marxist over his desk.

At least Chris Darke was sensible enough to keep his politics out of his job.
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Old 2nd Dec 2002, 23:41
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Cool Suitable Candidate

Is Bob Ayling still out of work?
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Caractacus,

>>> Well, still no General Secretary. .....
.... my view is that we should have an election and get things moving again. <<<

That process is well underway. After some months of interviews and following the final selection of a prime candidate, Jim McAusland at the ADC, the NEC is continuing to comply with the Rules meticulously.

The next step is to ask the membership if there are any other candidates who wish to stand for Gen Sec. If there are, then there will be another election including the newly selected man.
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Flywheel, Have you any information on Jim McAusland? A short biography or perhaps manifesto?

Is the Gentleman a pilot, trade unionist or industrialist?
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Yarpy,

Not a lot of info other than that he is 48 and believed to be the current Deputy General Secretary of the Inland Revenue Staff Federation.
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You might find more information if you spell his name correctly. There's no 'd' at the end.
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Where can we find more information?
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Konkordski,

Absolutely right, its Jim McAuslan - Deputy General Secretary of the PCS ( Civil & Public Service Union)

He was the candidate recommended by John Monks.
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Spoke with John Monks a couple of years back when Balpa was in dispute with BA .He seemed disinterested then and now he's reccomending people for the post of GS!.
Where's Arthur Scargill when you need him.
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Old 20th Jan 2003, 09:01
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Having been the originator of this thread its nice to conlude it by pasting the news from the BALPA website about the new General Secretary. Perhaps history will show that John Forhnsdorf was sound in his judgement when he stood against Chris Darke.

It surprises me that Ppruners haven't taken this issue more to their hearts. Many of the issues on this forum would be addressed by a strong pilots union. Lets hope that Jim McAuslan is the tough, principled leader we need and wish him all the best.


NEW PILOTS' LEADER WILL LOBBY HARDER AT WESTMINSTER, WHITEHALL AND IN EUROPE

The new leader of the British Air Line Pilots' Association (BALPA), Jim McAuslan, took up his post 13th January 2003. Jim is one of Britain's most experienced union officials, and was the Deputy General Secretary of PCS, the UK's main civil and public services union. He is elected at a time when flight crew - pilots and flight engineers - face a time of enormous challenges and opportunities.

Jim was unanimously nominated by BALPA's National Executive Committee and was elected unopposed.

Whilst at PCS, Jim developed a section for professionals and managers and secured growth in the union from 250,000 to 285,000 members. He was previously Deputy General Secretary of the Inland Revenue Staffs Federation, and has overseen two mergers to create PCS - he is used to managing big change programmes.

Jim McAuslan, 48, said: 'With larger, faster airliners, crowded skies and stretched air traffic control and ground facilities flight crew face increasing pressures. BALPA members have the lives of thousands of passengers in their hands every single day.

'It is vital that the experience and expertise of pilots and flight engineers is used to shape the future of civil aviation. Their views must be the ones that are listened to, and heeded, not only throughout the industry but in Westminster and Whitehall, where I'm determined that BALPA will have a still greater presence.'

One of Jim's first tasks will be to lobby for BALPA's position on future airport expansion.
'Aviation in the UK has huge potential for even further growth. With the right investment it can grow by at least an extra 15 billion. UK plc. Needs airport expansion or we will find ourselves losing out to cities like Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt,' Jim McAuslan said.

He will also strengthen links with the European Union and European Commission where BALPA will lobby hard to resist pressure from airlines to increase flying hours, a move which experts say will put existing high safety standards at risk.

Jim McAuslan will use his experience of securing union growth to help BALPA build on the expansion it has seen in the past few years. With membership at 8,500, BALPA has the overwhelming majority of UK flight crew in membership. However, there are still a few companies with which the union has yet to sign a recognition agreement.

'My number one priority is to make sure BALPA members share in the growth of aviation through improved terms and conditions, career development and quality pension schemes,' said Jim.
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