SriLankan captain locks copilot out of flight deck
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What’s wrong with gen Z? Nanny state made you think of pilots like we are some fools who should be locked like zoo monkeys.
Give us guns and air marshal, remove cockpit door locks and you won’t believe how quickly safety will improve.
We spent a fortune and sacrificed a lot to be where we are but you still believe that some 20 year old bachelor at ops department should have a remote control to decide when we can go to loo?
Pilots are on top of airline food chain and believe me, we can handle guns and unlawful interference better than any police bouncer.
Give us guns and air marshal, remove cockpit door locks and you won’t believe how quickly safety will improve.
We spent a fortune and sacrificed a lot to be where we are but you still believe that some 20 year old bachelor at ops department should have a remote control to decide when we can go to loo?
Pilots are on top of airline food chain and believe me, we can handle guns and unlawful interference better than any police bouncer.
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From: Clarty Waters, UK
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From: 500 miles from Chaikhosi, Yogistan
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Correct. I’ve taken the chance to escape the flight deck multiple times to avoid some nutter Captain, usually ranting about politics, religion, his personal life or whatever.
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Those good old NYFD keyrings (and elevator keys everywhere).
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What’s wrong with gen Z? Nanny state made you think of pilots like we are some fools who should be locked like zoo monkeys.
Give us guns and air marshal, remove cockpit door locks and you won’t believe how quickly safety will improve.
We spent a fortune and sacrificed a lot to be where we are but you still believe that some 20 year old bachelor at ops department should have a remote control to decide when we can go to loo?
Pilots are on top of airline food chain and believe me, we can handle guns and unlawful interference better than any police bouncer.
Give us guns and air marshal, remove cockpit door locks and you won’t believe how quickly safety will improve.
We spent a fortune and sacrificed a lot to be where we are but you still believe that some 20 year old bachelor at ops department should have a remote control to decide when we can go to loo?
Pilots are on top of airline food chain and believe me, we can handle guns and unlawful interference better than any police bouncer.
So you think the Captain is a "nutter" and you leave the flight deck? Your job is to provide support to the PIC should things go pear-shaped. So if you are swanning off into cabin just because you don't like the other person the problem lies with you not them. The Captain is not there to be your BFF.
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And the captain is there to run the operation, not alienate the crew. 25+ years in aviation, most in the left seat. Rule number 1 for the captain: Just because you can say anything, doesn't mean you should.
When I was an F/O and I flew with a Captain who was annoying (It is not a new phenomenon) I just didn't engage in the conversation, its not difficult and shows a level of maturity that bugging out of the cockpit does not.
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I used to work for Lufthansa on their 747-400s and the keys were the same fleetwide. Initially they had 'Boeing' written on it but later on they were blank (same key though) probably to prevent folks making off with a nice souvenir. Stations had them as a back up. There was one in a little plastic pouch up high in the upper deck lavatory (the one just outside the cockpit door) and on the combis you would find another in a similar pouch in the compartment below the door 3L attendant seat. This same key allowed access to the mandeck cargo hold. The key would also open the crew rest is it was loaded.
Just sharing some trivia.
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Like the time a Gymaholic, far too good looking, spare-time Male Model, FO , settled into the cruise, reached into his bag for the first of a whole packet of rice-cakes, mid-munch, looked over quizicaily and asked me ;" Gordo, have you ever been naked bunjjee jumping ?" ! thought. crikey, another 9 hours of this ! Didn't engage in the conversation. Wouldn't have dreamed of. leaving the FD either.
Very few of us would have emulated the Sri- Lankan and I bet the inquiry will be a cover-up job too.
Very few of us would have emulated the Sri- Lankan and I bet the inquiry will be a cover-up job too.
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From: Australia
What’s wrong with gen Z? Nanny state made you think of pilots like we are some fools who should be locked like zoo monkeys.
Give us guns and air marshal, remove cockpit door locks and you won’t believe how quickly safety will improve.
We spent a fortune and sacrificed a lot to be where we are but you still believe that some 20 year old bachelor at ops department should have a remote control to decide when we can go to loo?
Pilots are on top of airline food chain and believe me, we can handle guns and unlawful interference better than any police bouncer.
Give us guns and air marshal, remove cockpit door locks and you won’t believe how quickly safety will improve.
We spent a fortune and sacrificed a lot to be where we are but you still believe that some 20 year old bachelor at ops department should have a remote control to decide when we can go to loo?
Pilots are on top of airline food chain and believe me, we can handle guns and unlawful interference better than any police bouncer.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-airw...es-in-cockpit/
https://www.travelmole.com/news/pilo...shoot-captain/
https://www.ajc.com/blog/airport/fed...rq0DKDuSDBavK/
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From: Perpetually circling OCK for some reason
Like the time a Gymaholic, far too good looking, spare-time Male Model, FO , settled into the cruise, reached into his bag for the first of a whole packet of rice-cakes, mid-munch, looked over quizicaily and asked me ;" Gordo, have you ever been naked bunjjee jumping ?" ! thought. crikey, another 9 hours of this ! Didn't engage in the conversation. Wouldn't have dreamed of. leaving the FD either.
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For a while there was a requirement that if a FD member had to leave the cockpit, a cabin crew member had to stay inside the FD to prevent exactly this kind of thing. Given that there have been cases where the hardened door contributed to total loss of airplanes, I thought this to be a pretty reasonable thing to do. It would most probably have solved this particular case quite quickly. Unfortunately, after the initial shock about the accident in question died down and other questions were raised, this regulation was dropped again. Personally I think it would be a reasonable practice.
On the other hand, it is totally unacceptable that a PIC acts like this unless he has very valid safety reasons to exclude a crew member from the cockpit. From what has been reported since, the person in question has since resigned from the airline.
On the other hand, it is totally unacceptable that a PIC acts like this unless he has very valid safety reasons to exclude a crew member from the cockpit. From what has been reported since, the person in question has since resigned from the airline.
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For a while there was a requirement that if a FD member had to leave the cockpit, a cabin crew member had to stay inside the FD to prevent exactly this kind of thing. Given that there have been cases where the hardened door contributed to total loss of airplanes, I thought this to be a pretty reasonable thing to do. It would most probably have solved this particular case quite quickly. Unfortunately, after the initial shock about the accident in question died down and other questions were raised, this regulation was dropped again. Personally I think it would be a reasonable practice.
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You're forgetting the case where one of the flight crew has bad intentions, which has already happened!
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Hand-wringing about "what ifs" when a Germanwings F/O took out a whole plane full of people due to this "feature".
The whole point of the locked door and the procedures surrounding it, is that those on the flight deck side of it can deny access to those in the cabin, no matter what knowledge they have of said procedures or what they are doing, and that includes holding crew members or passenger to ransom. If you implement master keys, codes or whatever so the door can be forced open then you might as well not bother fitting one in the first place, as you have negated most of its function as well as the deterrence effect. Germanwings showed those who would wish harm upon us that the door was actually secure against someone who knew intimately how it worked.
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Fullwings has enhanced my previous points brilliantly, which others had failed to grasp. Thank you
people always cite Germanwings, and rightly so. It was a dark moment for our industry. Much like 911 I can recall exactly where I was when I was told the news. The locked door was the last and no doubt large, but still only one hole in the cheese. The FO had seen doctors and been receiving treatment/drugs, but the authority was not informed, due to certain local confidentiality regulations. He didn’t feel able to tell his employer or obtain peer support. This whole area has changed now, numerous new requirements and colleague peer support groups available. Perhaps it doesn’t go far enough yet, but this area will prove more effective than other ideas cited, and it improves people’s lives too. And it keeps the flight deck secure. I cannot think of breach since their introduction, although of course it might be something kept out the media…!
people always cite Germanwings, and rightly so. It was a dark moment for our industry. Much like 911 I can recall exactly where I was when I was told the news. The locked door was the last and no doubt large, but still only one hole in the cheese. The FO had seen doctors and been receiving treatment/drugs, but the authority was not informed, due to certain local confidentiality regulations. He didn’t feel able to tell his employer or obtain peer support. This whole area has changed now, numerous new requirements and colleague peer support groups available. Perhaps it doesn’t go far enough yet, but this area will prove more effective than other ideas cited, and it improves people’s lives too. And it keeps the flight deck secure. I cannot think of breach since their introduction, although of course it might be something kept out the media…!
Last edited by V_2; 25th October 2024 at 06:58.