Do we have too many SLF/Pax on this forum now??
One thing I will say is that there are a lot of contributors who have not provided profiles.
This, when filled in does give some clue as to the likely professionalism of any statement.
This, when filled in does give some clue as to the likely professionalism of any statement.
I'd like to see a requirement that reasonable information be included in one's profile, although it probably wouldn't help since the people who currently don't provide such information would just lie...
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[QUOTE=AirScrew;11660282]The tragic Singapore flight SQ321 has, quite rightly and understandably, generated much interest and concern across the media, the public, and the world.
But this forum in not primarily for the media and the public.
As someone who is definitely SLF, I would be very disappointed if I could not read these posts.
I come to this site to find an informed perspective on aviation events that I cannot get from the mainstream media.
I have never possessed a commercial pilots licence and would be excluded from this forum. Even though I have spent most of my career in the aerospace industry. I understand that there are uninformed posts made on the site. But , these stand out like beacons and we are surely all able to ignore these.
You have a billboard for the industry, why hide it?
But this forum in not primarily for the media and the public.
As someone who is definitely SLF, I would be very disappointed if I could not read these posts.
I come to this site to find an informed perspective on aviation events that I cannot get from the mainstream media.
I have never possessed a commercial pilots licence and would be excluded from this forum. Even though I have spent most of my career in the aerospace industry. I understand that there are uninformed posts made on the site. But , these stand out like beacons and we are surely all able to ignore these.
You have a billboard for the industry, why hide it?
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I'll click on the profile. They are usually blank
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I’d add that modern jobs generally have strict social media policies and (theoretically) no commenting in public without having either permission and/or having received specific training. Anything that makes you more identifiable could end up discouraging people from adding to discussion where they may otherwise have contributed something useful.
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First you need to define “professional” pilot. A grey area, at best.
And then what about the numerous erudite contributors to discussions who fail the above test?
Frankly, I’d rather listen to an engineer, aerodynamicist, meteorologist et al. wax lyrical on their areas of expertise than to some dude who stopped learning the day the ink dried on his ATPL 40 years ago.
YMMV
And then what about the numerous erudite contributors to discussions who fail the above test?
Frankly, I’d rather listen to an engineer, aerodynamicist, meteorologist et al. wax lyrical on their areas of expertise than to some dude who stopped learning the day the ink dried on his ATPL 40 years ago.
YMMV
I don't post here as I am not in an aviation job or a private pilot etc but have always had an interest in all aspects of flying.
I read the posts on this site as, the same as everyone else on here, I dislike the ill-informed, sensationalist "news" stories that the common media pump out about incidents and accidents. It is interesting as well to read the other posts on here from professionals, past & present, on all forms aviation in Scotland as well as further afield.
It would be fine to add a "badge" to the posts of professionals or something but I wouldn't want to see a blanket ban on all of us reading the posts on here
I read the posts on this site as, the same as everyone else on here, I dislike the ill-informed, sensationalist "news" stories that the common media pump out about incidents and accidents. It is interesting as well to read the other posts on here from professionals, past & present, on all forms aviation in Scotland as well as further afield.
It would be fine to add a "badge" to the posts of professionals or something but I wouldn't want to see a blanket ban on all of us reading the posts on here
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Understood. When I consider deleting an obviously unqualified post, I first ask myself, does it violate any PPRuNe rules. If not, I ask myself, will the learned aviation people recognize it's silly? If it's so silly that it's humorous, I'll sometimes leave it up for entertainment - it might trigger other useful conversation (as we have here). If it simply has no added value, I'll often delete it for that reason.
But, at the heart of PPRuNe, is the intent to promote discussion, that intent is not well served by deleting lots of posts simply 'cause they are not the smartest on the screen!
But, at the heart of PPRuNe, is the intent to promote discussion, that intent is not well served by deleting lots of posts simply 'cause they are not the smartest on the screen!
I’d add that modern jobs generally have strict social media policies and (theoretically) no commenting in public without having either permission and/or having received specific training. Anything that makes you more identifiable could end up discouraging people from adding to discussion where they may otherwise have contributed something useful.
While no longer an issue since I retired (2016), I was often privy to 'Confidential' and 'Limited' information - stuff that could quickly disprove (or prove) some posts being made. I simply censored myself until I saw that information in public (granted, not always easy to do - there was often some dreadfully misinformed information posted that I wanted to counter). But I took my obligations to the company seriously, and that included not spouting about stuff that I wasn't allowed to.
Worst was when I was involved in accident/incident investigations - when you're not supposed to communicate what you know with anyone not involved in the investigation (and with a need to know). Sometimes you just need to talk about it with someone (this was horribly true when I was investigating the Lauda 767 crash - granted that predated any PPRUNE involvement) and not being able to simply talk about it was emotionally draining).
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I'm a longtime lurking av enthusiast and armchair/sim gamer. I'm moderately informed about aviation (3M+ SLF miles), but I'm not a pilot. I come here to learn from the pros, but man there's so much balderdash! I would love PPRuNe to require proof of a pilot's license to post in the flight deck forums. Interested amateurs aren't allowed on the flight deck, they shouldn't be posting the FD forums, either.
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The tragic Singapore flight SQ321 has, quite rightly and understandably, generated much interest and concern across the media, the public, and the world.
But this forum in not primarily for the media and the public.
The contributions, views and comments from passengers and the public on the (now 3 I think) threads re SQ321 are numerous.
And so, the contributions and concerns from genuine pilots (and pro crew) are masked and distorted by the public.
Is it time to review the membership criteria, or somehow limit their contributions??
Discuss...
But this forum in not primarily for the media and the public.
The contributions, views and comments from passengers and the public on the (now 3 I think) threads re SQ321 are numerous.
And so, the contributions and concerns from genuine pilots (and pro crew) are masked and distorted by the public.
Is it time to review the membership criteria, or somehow limit their contributions??
Discuss...
A little self restraint can go a long way.
While no longer an issue since I retired (2016), I was often privy to 'Confidential' and 'Limited' information - stuff that could quickly disprove (or prove) some posts being made. I simply censored myself until I saw that information in public (granted, not always easy to do - there was often some dreadfully misinformed information posted that I wanted to counter). But I took my obligations to the company seriously, and that included not spouting about stuff that I wasn't allowed to.
While no longer an issue since I retired (2016), I was often privy to 'Confidential' and 'Limited' information - stuff that could quickly disprove (or prove) some posts being made. I simply censored myself until I saw that information in public (granted, not always easy to do - there was often some dreadfully misinformed information posted that I wanted to counter). But I took my obligations to the company seriously, and that included not spouting about stuff that I wasn't allowed to.
Vast majority of the time it won’t be an issue but it’s certainly a consideration in my opinion.
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I watch and post on here as long term, long haul SLF. It’s a professional forum, and I only post in the section like Jet Blast or SLF and sometimes Routes/ history etc.
If I post on any other section it’s more of an enquiry, as my own knowledge and experience is really based on building airport infrastructure, and not flying, though I am sure I have paid for a part of the A/C and definitely a pilots pension over my time as SLF.
Personally I like it as it is and there is no access to certain threads unless you have evidence of your professional qualifications with either JD cards or license which is appropriate. If you want mine I am happy to give them privately but no bank account details to Lagos correspondents 🙄
Cheers
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If I post on any other section it’s more of an enquiry, as my own knowledge and experience is really based on building airport infrastructure, and not flying, though I am sure I have paid for a part of the A/C and definitely a pilots pension over my time as SLF.
Personally I like it as it is and there is no access to certain threads unless you have evidence of your professional qualifications with either JD cards or license which is appropriate. If you want mine I am happy to give them privately but no bank account details to Lagos correspondents 🙄
Cheers
Mr Mac
Understood. When I consider deleting an obviously unqualified post, I first ask myself, does it violate any PPRuNe rules. If not, I ask myself, will the learned aviation people recognize it's silly? If it's so silly that it's humorous, I'll sometimes leave it up for entertainment - it might trigger other useful conversation (as we have here). If it simply has no added value, I'll often delete it for that reason.
But, at the heart of PPRuNe, is the intent to promote discussion, that intent is not well served by deleting lots of posts simply 'cause they are not the smartest on the screen!
But, at the heart of PPRuNe, is the intent to promote discussion, that intent is not well served by deleting lots of posts simply 'cause they are not the smartest on the screen!
Few observations from SLF/attorney here.
The experience I have had on this forum since I discovered it amid the media frenzy - admittedly a mild one compared to others - over the Asiana accident in San Francisco has been a major factor in the professional development path I'm on. And the fact that I've wanted to be on a professional development path involving aircraft and aviation since early teenage years does, sometimes, tend to reach out (as it were) and activate the unwanted Enthusiast label, despite my efforts to keep in my lane. There's no driver-assist system for the mind, not yet.
So I greatly appreciate the posters who called my call-sign earlier in this thread.
I find more than very satsifactory the set-up and functioning of the site, considering the broad range of very experienced and very knowledgeable people in aviation disciplines - not just driving through the sky - as well as the quirky, often obviously poorly informed, and sometimes suspiciously mischievious trolls or semi-trolls who provide the noise so that signal-to-noise rarely reaches high fidelity. Old school aviators still don't mind being compared to true audiophiles, do they?
I have said a few times that I regard interacting with the very experienced and very knowledgeable people in aviation disciplines here - ESPECIALLY the pilots - to be a privilege. A close friend's father, many years back, once told me that the object of the exercise when a person is invited to someone's house for dinner or some occasion is to behave properly enough to be invited back (I was). That's the way this forum should view the sometimes very annoying junk-posters. If you scratch 'em, they might never go away.
Not least, at the core of the LL.M. degree in Air (meaning, of course Aviation) and Space Law are graduate-level courses in Public International Air Law and what amounts to Public International Space Law. (There isn't really Private International Space Law, yet, unlike Air Law, so the course titles are not completely aligned.) It might be a wise step to make more conspicuous notice to all users that this is a public forum. I might have thought about that a lot more closely when I first discovered the site and started posting / plenty of cringe-worthy junk-posts, regrettably / yet thankfully, a somewhat different call-sign at the start. Anyway, what happened to the Singapore flight was very unusual, and so back on to the OP - if the incident opened new seams in the woodwork and the site momentarily choked a little on junk-posts, well, these things happen.
Long Live PPRuNe! Long Live Freedom to Post!!
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The experience I have had on this forum since I discovered it amid the media frenzy - admittedly a mild one compared to others - over the Asiana accident in San Francisco has been a major factor in the professional development path I'm on. And the fact that I've wanted to be on a professional development path involving aircraft and aviation since early teenage years does, sometimes, tend to reach out (as it were) and activate the unwanted Enthusiast label, despite my efforts to keep in my lane. There's no driver-assist system for the mind, not yet.
So I greatly appreciate the posters who called my call-sign earlier in this thread.
I find more than very satsifactory the set-up and functioning of the site, considering the broad range of very experienced and very knowledgeable people in aviation disciplines - not just driving through the sky - as well as the quirky, often obviously poorly informed, and sometimes suspiciously mischievious trolls or semi-trolls who provide the noise so that signal-to-noise rarely reaches high fidelity. Old school aviators still don't mind being compared to true audiophiles, do they?
I have said a few times that I regard interacting with the very experienced and very knowledgeable people in aviation disciplines here - ESPECIALLY the pilots - to be a privilege. A close friend's father, many years back, once told me that the object of the exercise when a person is invited to someone's house for dinner or some occasion is to behave properly enough to be invited back (I was). That's the way this forum should view the sometimes very annoying junk-posters. If you scratch 'em, they might never go away.
Not least, at the core of the LL.M. degree in Air (meaning, of course Aviation) and Space Law are graduate-level courses in Public International Air Law and what amounts to Public International Space Law. (There isn't really Private International Space Law, yet, unlike Air Law, so the course titles are not completely aligned.) It might be a wise step to make more conspicuous notice to all users that this is a public forum. I might have thought about that a lot more closely when I first discovered the site and started posting / plenty of cringe-worthy junk-posts, regrettably / yet thankfully, a somewhat different call-sign at the start. Anyway, what happened to the Singapore flight was very unusual, and so back on to the OP - if the incident opened new seams in the woodwork and the site momentarily choked a little on junk-posts, well, these things happen.
Long Live PPRuNe! Long Live Freedom to Post!!
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I've been lurking here since 2016 and have not posted much in the past few years and I'd have no objection to being tagged as non-industry on here. I still read the posts regularly and as somebody interested but not involved in aviation I cannot stomach most of the media rubbish written about anything to do with an aeroplane. PPRuNE is a reasonably credible source of info and I've been here long enough I think to filter out most of the BS that does appear.
BTW my worldly education must be lacking but what the hell does SLF stand for? 'Self Loading Freight' ie passengers has been suggested. Cheers.
BTW my worldly education must be lacking but what the hell does SLF stand for? 'Self Loading Freight' ie passengers has been suggested. Cheers.