Boeing at X-Roads?
Boeing isn’t the only company which has been trashed by corporate greed, up until privatisation in the early 1990s, QANTAS set the standard for quality and safety in airline operations. Then a similar bonus driven culture took hold resulting in a string of incidents. Now the Australian public has been left with a woke airline more interested in pushing for gay rights and minority issues than delivering a quality transport system. Price gouging has taken hold and the previous CEO was forced to resign early after the airline was caught selling tickets for cancelled flights.
Aviation businesses need to be run by aviation people committed to safety and quality above all else. Finding ways to do it better rather than do it cheaper should be ingrained from the top down. Executive pay and bonuses have reached ridiculous levels and have attracted the wrong sort of people. Offering less money would make the robber barons look elsewhere and we could have a different culture in place where an engineer who wanted to use better quality material in a component, wouldn’t be overridden by a manager concerned about how this would affect his bonus.
Aviation businesses need to be run by aviation people committed to safety and quality above all else. Finding ways to do it better rather than do it cheaper should be ingrained from the top down. Executive pay and bonuses have reached ridiculous levels and have attracted the wrong sort of people. Offering less money would make the robber barons look elsewhere and we could have a different culture in place where an engineer who wanted to use better quality material in a component, wouldn’t be overridden by a manager concerned about how this would affect his bonus.
TD, seems that Boeing has the same ruling as the great orange one is looking like getting, that they and he are above the laws of gravity and the constitution respectively.
Once there was a democracy and a damned fine plane maker, now you are about to have a king (god save you guys, not the king) and you have Boeing. Well done guys. About on par with Brexit and the exercise of trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Ukraine. Y'all gonna end up with Boeing building carbon fiber submarines to go visit the other Titanic, Mrs Green as the Veep, an orange fascist in the Whitehouse, which would suggest the old red white & blue should be changed to orange green & white.... generally, a very strange world.
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I worked at a couple of the Boeing plants in the 90's - early 00's and some of the observed work pracrtices on the shop floor were surprising compared to other manufacturers i've worked for. e.g. a hammer to make something fit, or redrilling rivet holes if they didnt line up.
But there did appear to be robust inspection to catch the worst things, and a general culture of quality higher up.
I'm not sure those positives have fared well in the last 20 years.
But there did appear to be robust inspection to catch the worst things, and a general culture of quality higher up.
I'm not sure those positives have fared well in the last 20 years.
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tdracer made me think it's part of an actual campaign. And I haven't seen that screenshot before.
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In fact, the words "vanished 20 days" appear (though not entirely clear) in the box to the far lower left of the screen shot, and taken together with the "developing story" tag, the incisive and insightful aeronautical point in the wording in white on a blue background also would appear to make sense.
There is no question that the media has been in something of a feeding frenzy with regard to news regarding Boeing aircraft - with routine, everyday occurrences (e.g. a benign engine shutdown) suddenly becoming headline news.
Can you imagine what would have been written if that Virgin flight that was cancelled when passengers noted some missing fasteners shortly before takeoff had been a Boeing instead of Airbus aircraft?
Yes, Boeing has issues, and they've brought a lot of this on themselves. But the media screaming that the sky is falling isn't helpful or constructive.
It's a reminder of just how crappy MSM reporting can be - and to be skeptical of just about anything that is reported until you have some sort of validation as to its accuracy and/or relevancy.
There is no question that the media has been in something of a feeding frenzy with regard to news regarding Boeing aircraft - with routine, everyday occurrences (e.g. a benign engine shutdown) suddenly becoming headline news.
Can you imagine what would have been written if that Virgin flight that was cancelled when passengers noted some missing fasteners shortly before takeoff had been a Boeing instead of Airbus aircraft?
Yes, Boeing has issues, and they've brought a lot of this on themselves. But the media screaming that the sky is falling isn't helpful or constructive.
There is no question that the media has been in something of a feeding frenzy with regard to news regarding Boeing aircraft - with routine, everyday occurrences (e.g. a benign engine shutdown) suddenly becoming headline news.
Can you imagine what would have been written if that Virgin flight that was cancelled when passengers noted some missing fasteners shortly before takeoff had been a Boeing instead of Airbus aircraft?
Yes, Boeing has issues, and they've brought a lot of this on themselves. But the media screaming that the sky is falling isn't helpful or constructive.
But the media screaming that the sky is falling isn't helpful or constructive.
So in that sense media echo can have a helpful, even preventing effect.
Bean counters running airlines
I have a "friend" worked for one of those airlines/have seen their shenanigans from close range. To this day I am still baffled that it is perfectly legal for them to receive the bulk of their compensation in RSUs and at the same time do things like stock buybacks which affects the price of shares. Or they say certain things to Wall Street types knowing full well that the stock will take a hit, but no worries; they sold 2 million dollars worth of their stock the day before.
What again is the difference between that and what Martha Stewart was sent to prison for?
I have a "friend" worked for one of those airlines/have seen their shenanigans from close range. To this day I am still baffled that it is perfectly legal for them to receive the bulk of their compensation in RSUs and at the same time do things like stock buybacks which affects the price of shares. Or they say certain things to Wall Street types knowing full well that the stock will take a hit, but no worries; they sold 2 million dollars worth of their stock the day before.
What again is the difference between that and what Martha Stewart was sent to prison for?
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Boeing needs to go back to being run by engineers not bean counters!!!
There is no impediment beyond neglect and lack of will to reset the focus of TBC back to where it has been in the past. The B737MAX has had issues, and TBC needs to be held accountable for what their processes resulted in, but just as it is possible for the company to alter its ways and return to technical competency, it will not occur without a commitment at all levels of the company management to do that. There has been 28 years of disregard of red flags and warnings about the direction they were going, and the board and management failed at every opportunity.
The 777 is a good product, the 787 can be with care. The 737 should be on its last rodeo, but its success is the roadblock to a white sheet project to replace it.
The 777 is a good product, the 787 can be with care. The 737 should be on its last rodeo, but its success is the roadblock to a white sheet project to replace it.