TAP extra long landing
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Wonderful comments from people that do not know how to fly ..Trial by youtube again .. Looking at the winsock in the end of the video that gives a clue as to what most probably hapenned. The A320 has good brakes but a go around would have most probably be better, but we do not know which fuel they had. and what the conditions were in Porto Santo. .Anyway they made it OK in the end , so good landing by the old definition.
Definitely not a good landing, a terrible one actually.
A stable approach and a landing in the TDZ are two not necessarily mutual things. The approach looked great to me, given it was a circle. Plenty of nose-up the whole way in, no drastic pitch or roll yugs.
The landing: had they gone down another 2 feet it would have been perfect, right on the big white squares. Unfortunately, they overflared just a tad and the rest is history.
If there's any doubt, there's no doubt. Go around!
The landing: had they gone down another 2 feet it would have been perfect, right on the big white squares. Unfortunately, they overflared just a tad and the rest is history.
If there's any doubt, there's no doubt. Go around!
I am not an armchair expert as I actually did the job into this challenging airport. I was FNC qualified for many years on the B737. That approach and landing was firstly too long and secondly characterised by a lack of discipline. They were extremely fortunate to stop. Those with long memories will recall a horrendous run off the end by a B727 with many fatalities and by the same airline. Not much point having stabilisation criteria and a disciplined approach to landing in the tdz if you are not going to comply. I agree FNC can be challenging and I did my share of go arounds. Always take lots of fuel…
I am not an armchair expert as I actually did the job into this challenging airport. I was FNC qualified for many years on the B737. That approach and landing was firstly too long and secondly characterised by a lack of discipline. They were extremely fortunate to stop. Those with long memories will recall a horrendous run off the end by a B727 with many fatalities and by the same airline. Not much point having stabilisation criteria and a disciplined approach to landing in the tdz if you are not going to comply. I agree FNC can be challenging and I did my share of go arounds. Always take lots of fuel…
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But even in the good old days, the 'old definitions' were not meant to be taken literally, no? And just to be pedantic, by the 'old definitions', this was a *great* landing.
Not all that familiar with the 320 configurations, however to my untrained eye, he doesn't seem to be carrying much in the way of flap.
Any comments from more experienced eyes appreciated.
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I don't think configuration is relevant here since the tendency to float is totally different to the obviously flawed decision making that went on in this landing, to the extent, in fact, that I thought initially that this was a Microsoft Flight Simulator video posted as a troll.
Yes I agree FUMR, you are quite correct, the old runway was seriously short and I should have mentioned that when quoting the catastrophic overrun of the TAP B727. I flew in to the old short, FNC as a youthful (!) first officer on the Boeing 737-200 and it was a fairly buttock clenching exercise…
I honeslty can't fathom some of the comments, this board has certainly lost it's technical expertise in the 20 years I have been on here.
For me, this landing would definitely qualify for a "please see the Chief Pilot" message in that crews inbox. I would have ripped a new one in one of my student pilots on his first solo, let alone a jet crew.
For me, this landing would definitely qualify for a "please see the Chief Pilot" message in that crews inbox. I would have ripped a new one in one of my student pilots on his first solo, let alone a jet crew.
I am not sure who you are aiming at nomorecatering but I have personally flown into Funchal on many occasions in challenging and other conditions. I even flew into the as mentioned short version of the airport which contributed significantly to the fear factor. I am not keen on Willy waving but with 25 years on the B737 and 20,000 hours plus associated training quals just how much technical expertise do you need? I really apologise for any perceived immodesty but I have done the day job into FNC as have many other contributors. I have looked over this thread and nobody appears to be condoning what is obviously a badly flown approach underpinned by serious indiscipline which should have resulted in a go around by any company standards. Nobody appears to be disagreeing…
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Olster ; we might have gone in there together. "Make sure you take lots of fuel"- yes but remember, way back, we were probably LW restricted. We probably worked for a professional outfit but one cowboy outfit would have you in the office for taking 1kg more than FP fuel- anywhere.
Most of us took TFS alternate fuel. If weather was perfect, PortoSanto.. Bort, it sure was butt-clenching all the way, using either alternate.
Interesting read on the Wizzair thread into Madeira too.
As John posted;" glad it's all over".
Most of us took TFS alternate fuel. If weather was perfect, PortoSanto.. Bort, it sure was butt-clenching all the way, using either alternate.
Interesting read on the Wizzair thread into Madeira too.
As John posted;" glad it's all over".
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Time to touchdown after Threshold
Never operated into this airport but the airplane took approximately 20 seconds from crossing over the threshold to touchdown ( should be 7-8 seconds normally).
FP.