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Old 29th Aug 2022, 17:15
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Originally Posted by 172_driver
... it was seat-of-the-pants flying, basic piloting, that was missing. ...
It was pretty much any recent flying that was missing.

(The C172 is a lot simpler! Full power and keep the picture outside correct for a climb. That is what I am teaching...)
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Old 29th Aug 2022, 19:34
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans
One option: TOGA, but if on single A/P, the A/P drops out. Adds to workload.
Another option: Recycle the Flight Directors then select Level Change and any required lateral mode. Aeroplane goes where you want it to.
Yet another option: 'Detune' the ILS (one 'click' onto another frequency) then select Level Change. (A 'problem' with this one is to remember to retune the ILS, but it is do-able.)

But take a moment to think about it, say why you are doing it, then do so.
If the ILS is tuned only on one side, you could simply select the off-side Autopilot (said FCC channel would become master). Next you can select an other vertical / lateral mode.
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Old 29th Aug 2022, 21:45
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"You'd prefer flying a full manual G/A than pressing 4 buttons slowly?"

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Old 30th Aug 2022, 20:53
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans
"Go-arounds" from above 1,000 ft do not need to be rushed. No need for TOGA and all the more extreme reactions that are caused by that. Take a (brief) moment and simply 'discontinue' the approach using other means. It can be done and the outcome is far more likely to be successful. The last airline that I flew for was the only one that included this in simulator recurrents. If others did so as well, then incidents like this could have been avoided.
This is good , this is sensible , nice to read !!
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 14:15
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Well, we did this in a recurrent sim a few cycles ago. Set at ARN, GA ALT 1500’. G/A, ALT HOLD close together does it all - freezes the ac vertically, laterally and in speed. Then you go slowly through the normal GA sequence - F20, LG up, lateral mode, CLB THR ref 80 clean up on schedule. Somewhere in that ask ATC what they’d like you to do. If AP still engaged leave it, if not follow the newly programmed FD until you re engage the AP.
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