BA lost its glitter now set to lose pilots?
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Is BIG Airways really that bad these days...???
Money aside and i'm not money orientated apart from been able to pay back my training debt..how's the lifestyle?...quality of rosters?(for those with no seniority!)
Personally speaking and i'm not yet in a position to be applying for that first flying job...but at 26 years old I was hoping to have a good go at BA.
I've worked for a number of Airlines in the UK in Ops Control and with that experiance there a very few on my list I really, I mean really want to work for and stay with until retirement i.e Have a career, not just a job!and this is what i'm looking for in my first job...BA been the first and I would of thought an obvious choice...
Money aside and i'm not money orientated apart from been able to pay back my training debt..how's the lifestyle?...quality of rosters?(for those with no seniority!)
Personally speaking and i'm not yet in a position to be applying for that first flying job...but at 26 years old I was hoping to have a good go at BA.
I've worked for a number of Airlines in the UK in Ops Control and with that experiance there a very few on my list I really, I mean really want to work for and stay with until retirement i.e Have a career, not just a job!and this is what i'm looking for in my first job...BA been the first and I would of thought an obvious choice...
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Well, personally I fly for what can only be described as a 'MINOR'. I am 31, been with my company 5 years (First Job) flying a 737. I am comming up for command by the end of the year. I get £40k basic. Allowances vary but have just been significantly raised - over the last eight months I have averaged £600 per month.
I was going to apply to BA but if it is going to take 4 years to get back to a basic salary of £35,000 plus ten years of sitting in the RHS you can stick it up your arse.
"Welcome to BA, here's your pay cut for the next 15 years !!!"
I am not surprised that DEP's are leaving and going back to their previous companies in the LHS.
Don't kill me for saying this but do BA take DEP captains ?
Because if they do, then I might apply next year. That might be worth it.
So there you have it. Unless BA ups it's salaries then it will be in the same position as Easyjet - unable to find enough pilots to fly it's planes.
I was going to apply to BA but if it is going to take 4 years to get back to a basic salary of £35,000 plus ten years of sitting in the RHS you can stick it up your arse.
"Welcome to BA, here's your pay cut for the next 15 years !!!"
I am not surprised that DEP's are leaving and going back to their previous companies in the LHS.
Don't kill me for saying this but do BA take DEP captains ?
Because if they do, then I might apply next year. That might be worth it.
So there you have it. Unless BA ups it's salaries then it will be in the same position as Easyjet - unable to find enough pilots to fly it's planes.
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Invalid Delete - No BA don't take DEP onto the LHS.
I've just thought of a way BA can avoid the Easyjet problem of a Pilot Shortage. They buy a low paying airline and then offer all their pilots a BA contract - at Pay Point 1 for Captains and frozen Cadet pay for FO's - i.e.lower pay than any of their other pilots.
The pilots accept, because even this is better than they had before and they're scared of losing their jobs. BA have no recruitment costs, no training costs and they even get some Airport Slots as a bonus ! The pilots were prepared to accept the low pay of their previous employer because of rapid expansion giving early commands and training roles - that all comes to a grinding halt with Big Airways.
No theory here - they are doing it at CityFlyer !
I've just thought of a way BA can avoid the Easyjet problem of a Pilot Shortage. They buy a low paying airline and then offer all their pilots a BA contract - at Pay Point 1 for Captains and frozen Cadet pay for FO's - i.e.lower pay than any of their other pilots.
The pilots accept, because even this is better than they had before and they're scared of losing their jobs. BA have no recruitment costs, no training costs and they even get some Airport Slots as a bonus ! The pilots were prepared to accept the low pay of their previous employer because of rapid expansion giving early commands and training roles - that all comes to a grinding halt with Big Airways.
No theory here - they are doing it at CityFlyer !
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liftyryce : I thought you were talking about 'GO' for a minute there.
Shame about the DEP situation at BA then. (no LHS DEP - What?)
It would seem like they will only be able to get young chaps in instead of a 'selection of ages' due to the fact that everyone will lose out financially by going to BA.
Then BA will end up with a big retirement 'bulge' in 2020 like the one back in 2001 - 2005 which almost broke the company. (Ooops there I go thinking about the future again.) I must start to think short term like an airline, yes, on an hour to hour basis otherwise things will start to run smoothly.
Shame about the DEP situation at BA then. (no LHS DEP - What?)
It would seem like they will only be able to get young chaps in instead of a 'selection of ages' due to the fact that everyone will lose out financially by going to BA.
Then BA will end up with a big retirement 'bulge' in 2020 like the one back in 2001 - 2005 which almost broke the company. (Ooops there I go thinking about the future again.) I must start to think short term like an airline, yes, on an hour to hour basis otherwise things will start to run smoothly.
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Liftyryce,
MMMM, bit cynical really. You aren't entirely wrong, of course but having paid £70 million for CFE and then giving 180 pilots a pay rise, together with pension contributions, hardly seems like a cost saving (and I haven't even begun with the engineering department); add to this that the RJ is not really of very much use to them in the long term, and so will have to retrain us all and pay former captains and training captains a commanders salary for the pleasure of redirecting them (into the RHS!), I fail to see where they are making any real savings. There are the slots, of course, you are right there and they have got some experienced guys into the bargain but the recruitment costs are negligible in the big scheme of things.
Let's face it, the big problem at BA is that it has too many managers, and redcaps on £35,000. Certainly at LGW S/H they should farm out handling to competitive companies and lean down the management structure. I'm sure Magnus will crucify me subsequently if he disagrees but that is the way I see it. At CFE a turnaround used to cost us £400 a time with BMH; it costs EOG £1400!!! They don't turn around any quicker and they certainly don't always beat us in the punctuality league tables!
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Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes!
MMMM, bit cynical really. You aren't entirely wrong, of course but having paid £70 million for CFE and then giving 180 pilots a pay rise, together with pension contributions, hardly seems like a cost saving (and I haven't even begun with the engineering department); add to this that the RJ is not really of very much use to them in the long term, and so will have to retrain us all and pay former captains and training captains a commanders salary for the pleasure of redirecting them (into the RHS!), I fail to see where they are making any real savings. There are the slots, of course, you are right there and they have got some experienced guys into the bargain but the recruitment costs are negligible in the big scheme of things.
Let's face it, the big problem at BA is that it has too many managers, and redcaps on £35,000. Certainly at LGW S/H they should farm out handling to competitive companies and lean down the management structure. I'm sure Magnus will crucify me subsequently if he disagrees but that is the way I see it. At CFE a turnaround used to cost us £400 a time with BMH; it costs EOG £1400!!! They don't turn around any quicker and they certainly don't always beat us in the punctuality league tables!
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Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes!
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Invalid delete-heard this story/yarn...
BA don't take on DEPs to LHS, except one guy on his first day in the company, minding his own business on a, er, very useful induction course....a manager walks in and says, there's a command at Gatwick going, not enough people have bid, anyone fancy it? Geez puts his hand up and hey presto uno command course. Unlikely to happen again though!
BA don't take on DEPs to LHS, except one guy on his first day in the company, minding his own business on a, er, very useful induction course....a manager walks in and says, there's a command at Gatwick going, not enough people have bid, anyone fancy it? Geez puts his hand up and hey presto uno command course. Unlikely to happen again though!
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Kippa,
Some DEPs are busy looking elsewhere. They are not happy at being stuck at the bottom of the longhaul bid system for a good 5 years. In addition the B scale salary begins to hurt after a while. All this was predictable before they joined.
I would be surprised if many actually go.
This year's pay round may just address the salary issue and make joing BA relatively attractive again.
Some DEPs are busy looking elsewhere. They are not happy at being stuck at the bottom of the longhaul bid system for a good 5 years. In addition the B scale salary begins to hurt after a while. All this was predictable before they joined.
I would be surprised if many actually go.
This year's pay round may just address the salary issue and make joing BA relatively attractive again.
