Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

UA2864 HKG CFIT incident

Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

UA2864 HKG CFIT incident

Old 24th Nov 2021, 03:44
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: FL, USA
Posts: 3,120
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
UA2864 HKG CFIT incident

I’m actually surprised that I didn’t read about it here on Pprune first:

On Monday 15th earlier this week, a Boeing 777, operated by United Airlines, departed Hong Kong International Airport with an unapproved early turn towards the mountainous terrain of Lan Tau Island.

The flight, which was operated by United Airlines, was a Boeing 777-322ER with a cargo configuration with the callsign UA2864. Cleared for an OCEAN 2A Standard Instrument Departure(SID)[1], the flight took off from Runway 07R at 4:05 pm local time as instructed initially, until it made an unapproved right turn towards the mountains of Lan Tau Island promptly after liftoff. The aircraft flew overhead the locally famous country trail Lo Fu Tau at 3764ft, where the highest point of Lan Tau Island stands at 3068ft. It was reported by local media that Hong Kong tower immediately issued a warning and assigned a corrective heading for the 777 to follow. The flight departed Hong Kong to Tokyo without further reported incidents.
Eerily similar to the Atlas incident mentioned in the article.

Source: https://travelradar.aero/united-airl...hong-kong/amp/
B2N2 is offline  
Old 24th Nov 2021, 08:22
  #2 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 1,464
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
There is very little variety in the early part of the 07R departures out of HKG, direct to PORPA below 5000' is the first stage of each one so it's not as if the wrong SID would have done it. Even if a 07L departure was inserted by mistake it would turn the aircraft to the left, not the right.

Is something in the software causing aircraft to not overfly the initial waypoint properly ?
krismiler is online now  
Old 24th Nov 2021, 08:34
  #3 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46
Posts: 313
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That sounds a lot more dramatic than it actually was. Looking a google maps, the highest point of the trail less than 1500ft, so they were above it by more than 2200 ft. Glideslope interception is often lower than that...
procede is offline  
Old 24th Nov 2021, 08:40
  #4 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 6,495
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Still a bit of a though….I don’t remember much these days but one thing I do remember was that whenever I briefed before departing HKG off of 07 R my “bullet” point” was that if we had any problem immediately after takeoff, or even no problem at all, we had to make sure we didn’t swing right early, we had go to PORPA…be interesting to see the factors that led to the reported UA incident.
wiggy is offline  
Old 24th Nov 2021, 09:30
  #5 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: FNQ ... It's Permanent!
Posts: 4,211
Received 122 Likes on 61 Posts
Originally Posted by procede
Glideslope interception is often lower than that...
Except they weren’t following a glide slope. They were fortunate in out-climbing rising terrain.
Capt Fathom is offline  
Old 24th Nov 2021, 12:16
  #6 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Planet Moo Moo
Posts: 1,281
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Happened to a BA jumbo a fair few years ago. They had to reprogram the departure, put 'PORPA' into the box with the necessary restrictions but forgot to make it an overfly waypoint.

The aircraft turned before the waypoint in order to intercept the outbound track to the next point and gave them an EGPWS pull up!

Often briefed when departing HKG.
Wirbelsturm is offline  
Old 24th Nov 2021, 16:35
  #7 (permalink)  

Avoid imitations
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Wandering the FIR and cyberspace often at highly unsociable times
Posts: 14,405
Received 241 Likes on 119 Posts
Didn't actually CFIT though, did it - thankfully!

Some years ago I was duty SAR crew and waiting to depart in an SK-76 from Kai Tak airport, under a solid and very well defined cloud base of about 650 - 700 feet. I was holding for a B747 on the RWY 13 IGS and was watching for it to come out of the cloud and hopefully land. They didn't appear as expected; instead they called "Going around" and just as they did, I saw the port wing and the number one engine come out of the cloud - instead of turning right to the south over the low ground and the harbour, they were turning LEFT towards the 1800 foot high hills, only 2nms to the north of the "Chequer Board". Thankfully, ATC called them, telling them to immediately turn to the south. After what was probably a short pause, but what seemed a long one, they acknowledged and the aircraft came right over us on the north side, back in cloud. My heart was in my mouth for a couple of minutes (and no doubt ATC were the same) but I never saw any written reports about that particular incident.

ShyTorque is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.