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Kabul FIR still safe?

Old 17th Aug 2021, 20:56
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No. The swarmed flight with the above incident was Reach 885 (1109). The more famous 640 pax evacuation was Reach 871 (0186) the previous night .
Different flights.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 12:39
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Kabul Airport live stream

At time of posting, Russian funded TV has what is said to be live view of aircraft movements at Kabul.
Note that the video stream can be scrubbed backwards in time should you wish to evaluate recent movements.
Safe travels to all....


Exit. Live stream has ceased, link takes you to two hour replay of the stream.

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Old 18th Aug 2021, 20:42
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Fascinating story here on the captain of a PIA A320 that made the decision to take off from Kabul without authorization. All you pilots out here, would you have made the same call?

https://samchui.com/2021/08/18/make-.../#.YR1hkcpKhZe

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Old 18th Aug 2021, 21:45
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He was actually the Captain of an A320. The B777 is a company aircraft which he mentions. Personally I believe he made the right call. I'm even surprised he waited as long as he did!
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 23:11
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Facing the possibility of his aircraft being overrun and his pax taken hostage, I believe he made the correct decision.

He certainly gave a good account of his reasons in the interview, and appears to have acted correctly.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 23:38
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Oops corrected to A320. Thanks for the catch.

It obviously all worked out well, but is there outcome bias here? If he had got shot down or collided with a millitary plance, would we still be saying it was the correct decision?
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 03:28
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Having come across a brutal picture, taken from inside the cargo area, of a body protruding from the undercarriage doors, I feel for the crew of the US Globemaster.
One of the heartbreaking aspects of the flight was that one of the victims who fell was just 16 years old.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 04:15
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FAA says U.S. carriers can operate Kabul evacuation flights with DOD approval

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...al-2021-08-19/
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 07:23
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Nothing heroic here. Pilot did, what every student pilot does on an uncontrolled airfield in VMC conditions. Make the call on CTAF "Kabul traffic...." Throttle forward and off you go. PNF will look out too. Flight-plan activated at the next ATC center you reach as he did. If you do not find the exact situation in the FAA AIM. Thats what your grey mass between your ears is for and its called airmanship.
ATC op or inop will not prevent a shoot down. With so many US military airplanes minding their own business at that time, I would have taken the odds.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 14:49
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Updated IFALPA Safety Bulletin (as of August 18)

Previous Int'l Federation of Air Line Pilots Associations Safety Bulletin, updated as of August 18.

update-21sab142-ats-not-available-in-kabul-fir.pdf (ifalpa.org)
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 17:47
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The lack of ATC is one thing (is it a time to get Bossman back in the sky?) but I donít think ex-Afghan army nor Talibs have assets capable of FL250+
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 18:10
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On the NOTAM is a link to https://acaa.gov.af/notam/

There is another link to a an Alternate Webpage to view Afghanistan NOTAM

https://www.afgais.com

saying BY AFGHANISTAN NOTAM OFFICE.

an WHOIs leads to PERFECT PRIVACY, LLC

(G1219/21 NOTAMR G0760/21

Q) OAKX/QOAXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/

A) OAKX B) 2107290530 C) 2110242359EST

E) ALL OPERATORS REQUESTED TO CHECK ACTIVE AFGHANISTAN NOTAM ON

HTTPS://WWW.NOTAM-ACAA.COM ANDHTTPS://WWW.AFGAIS.COM.)

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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 14:10
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Reuters - "We sneaked past the crowd": Airline pilot recounts escape from Kabul.

An interesting account from an ex-pat Kam Air 737 pilot, who operated a 'lights off' departure in darkness to get out of the country.
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Old 24th Aug 2021, 17:01
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IFALPA updates again

IFALPA Safety Bulletin, updated as of 24 August 0800 UTC.
Given this poster's status as just SLF/attorney, I'm not even trying to summarize, or highlight, the content, which those interested surely will access as well as understand.

update-21sab144-kabul-fir-updated-information.pdf (ifalpa.org)
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Old 29th Aug 2021, 11:16
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Just for curiosity please...who does (or did these last days) the ATC at Kabul Airport..!?
Military (USA, NATO, etc), some misc., Afghan civil staff, etc?
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Old 29th Aug 2021, 15:20
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From looking at flightradar24 in the last day or few, there aren’t enough planes to need ATC at the airport.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 12:28
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Heard an interview yesterday on NPR with a Marine sergeant who working ATC at Kabul. Plan was to continue working till the last flight and walk over and get on it.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 14:01
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Without any defensive boots holding the perimeter, that last takeoff is going to be very vulnerable.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 15:20
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One would assume the last flight will be protected by forces that will leave by helicopters.
A larger question is when they'll pack down the automated C-RAM system that is the real defence of the airport,
as one can see of this article: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/30/a...hnk/index.html
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 22:50
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It's the Taliban's baby now. Last 5 C-17s out departed without problems, C-RAM, other gear and aircraft "demilitarized" - ARFF and civilian ground equipment left intect. Taliban provided area security in the end under a "pragmatic relationship."

"Thanks for all the fish!"
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