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a350 Abnormal skin problems

Old 9th Jun 2021, 17:40
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The latest dispute also shines a spotlight on the fate of a four-year-old Qatar Airways A350 that has been sitting in Toulouse since January, after initially being sent by the airline to Ireland to be repainted in World Cup livery.

Two industry sources said problems had emerged when the old paint was stripped away, triggering discussions over whether it was a one-off repair problem or evidence of deeper issues.

The plane was then sent to Toulouse, home to both Airbus and facilities of Satys Group, a major paint contractor that handles work for both Airbus and Qatar Airways, industry sources said.

It has remained in Toulouse since Jan 5, according to tracking data.

While the jet had been expected to go to Satys, which is repainting other jets for the 2022 tournament, it ended up on the forecourt of Airbus amid a standoff over who was to blame for exposing metal mesh on the aircraft's skin, they said.

A spokesman for Satys said it had no involvement with the A350 in question nor any disagreement with Qatar Airways and declined further comment.

Airbus said it does not comment on customer operations.
So, four year old airframe gets sent to Ireland for repainting, potentially somebody vigorously removes the paint, then it becomes ""he said, she said, and they argue who's to blame. Qatar meanwhile try to use this as a means of chucking their power about suggesting they'll destroy Airbus via litigation, meanwhile themselves using slave labour, with very questionable human rights conditions, to build the infrastructure for the World Cup the planes were to be repainted for.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 07:29
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So is the spat about one single airframe and paint removal only? Why don't they seem to take other new builds for the moment then?
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AAB seems the kind of person who'd 'start a fight in a phone booth', particularly if it's a reason to withold payment, or strike a bargain.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 15:27
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The question is, did the company/people carry out the paint removal "in accordance with" Airbus correct procedures? Or was it a matter of "always this way for years" and surely the airline had a representative or two watching over the task?
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 16:59
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Irregularities found on Qatar Airbus A350 during Painting in Shannon

From January this year:

A Qatar Airways Airbus A350 was in Shannon recently for a repaint into a special paint scheme when some irregularities were found on the coating of the aircraft. The aircraft had arrived in Shannon on 13th November for a repaint by International Aerospace Coatings (IAC) into a special colours to promote the FIFA World Cup being held in Qatar in 2022. This is one of the first Airbus A350’s to receive a full new paint scheme. The repainting of the aircraft should take around ten days. However, when the aircraft was stripped engineers discovered surface coating irregularities. Engineers from Airbus in Toulouse travelled to Shannon to inspect the aircraft. It was decided that the aircraft would remain hangared in Shannon while temporary work was carried out. It was decided the aircraft would be ferried to Toulouse for further inspections by Airbus.

In a statement released by Airbus regarding the aircraft, it said “Whilst undergoing a repaint at Shannon, Qatar Airways’ Airbus A350-900 aircraft was observed to have some irregularities on the surface coating. The issue is superficial/cosmetic and only visible when the top coat of paint is stripped. It is not a structural composite issue! In agreement with Qatar Airways the aircraft will be flown to Toulouse for further inspection, as a precaution, and re-painting. There is no safety concern.”

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Old 10th Jun 2021, 17:34
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I wonder how many other A350’s haven been through repainting yet. I understand this one wasn’t due for a few years but only resprayed for the World Cup so a bit early to know if there is a fleet issue (as Qatar is suggesting).
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 18:17
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IIRC the Eurofighter is good for only three to four full new coats of paint (including removal of the old paint) over the entire lifetime as the CFRP skin is pretty sensitive stuff. Who knows how they removed the old layer being used to metal skins?
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That's the worrisome thing - very few other A350's (if any) have been stripped and repainted, yet this one has an issue. If the painters didn't strip properly (for CF construction), Airbus needs to get on top of that and make sure the correct processes are out there and being used. If it's something more fundamental with the CF construction, Airbus needs to get on top of that as well.

I don't buy that this is 'just' a PR stunt by Qatar.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 20:04
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If I was Airbus I'd say "fine - all your orders are cancelled, here's your deposits, do not call us again"

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Old 10th Jun 2021, 20:23
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I do buy this as a delaying tactic for the scheduled deliveries / purchases... They've already tried to restructure/reschedule, then they pull this instead....
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How does "the mesh" work? Does it sit on top of the skin or is it embedded in the upper layer? Can it be replaced easily?
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I was at canadair in the early 80"s as i recall the mesh and a layer of film adhesive were the first items layed in the moulds before the first layer of pre preg. . Part of the inspection was to verify conductivity between to points after cure, it was often a problem to achieve the correct figures. I would think replacement of any of the mesh would be nearly impossible while keeping conductivity with the rest of the mesh .
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