737 Max $25 billion hit to Boeing "Biggest corporate blunder ever"
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You can't buy publicity like this special feature on BBC news. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/jDO...boeing-737-max
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, would you let your loved ones fly in one?
, would you let your loved ones fly in one?
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With the FAA and everyother similar agency from Europe checking up on safety its probably safe now. What I am concerned is Boeing tried to conceal the deficiencies of the MCAS system will it happen again? Did the right people get shown the door?
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True, but the problem was about what happened when the engine was running.
Dieselgate (falsifying emissions levels) arguably contributed to the deaths of many more people than the Max killed.
Dieselgate (falsifying emissions levels) arguably contributed to the deaths of many more people than the Max killed.
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I've just been listening to an old interview with D P Davies (ex UK CAA flight test) about the 727 certification.
Apparently Boeing didn't come clean with the FAA and "together" they certified the plane with unacceptable stall characteristics.
There was one fatal accident. Boeing only fitted a stick pusher later at the insistence of the CAA, for Dan Air.
What's new?
Apparently Boeing didn't come clean with the FAA and "together" they certified the plane with unacceptable stall characteristics.
There was one fatal accident. Boeing only fitted a stick pusher later at the insistence of the CAA, for Dan Air.
What's new?
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Of course it will. That's the corporate world today. Hide any deficiences to get the product to the market as soon as possible to make money. It's not just aircraft, it's everything.
Of course it will. That's the corporate world today. Hide any deficiences to get the product to the market as soon as possible to make money. It's not just aircraft, it's everything.
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In reply to Slippery Pete,
The fact that Boeing should have gone with a new from the ground up is indisputable. You can design out fundamental challenges through engineering (Porsche 911) but Boeing didn't use Porsche metrics, they went for the chinese model.
The fact that Boeing should have gone with a new from the ground up is indisputable. You can design out fundamental challenges through engineering (Porsche 911) but Boeing didn't use Porsche metrics, they went for the chinese model.
The aircraft design isn’t the only thing the company should have started new from the ground up. It needs to become an excellent engineering organization again. Let the MBA’s and COA’s sell apples.
The most expensive corporate blunder was Deepwater Horizon and BP, which came in at a cost of around 65BN. But BP is a company which sported a 278BN turnover in 2019, vs. 76BN for Boeing in the same year. So as a percentage, Boeing are far harder hit with cost of 25-30BN.
Boeing spent around 3BN in 2019 on R&D. In the same year, Boeing spent 20BN on stock buybacks ...
Boeing spent around 3BN in 2019 on R&D. In the same year, Boeing spent 20BN on stock buybacks ...
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Dieselgate killed people ? Get a grip on reality, as someone else wrote. An arbitrary limit on emission for a single vehicle will do no good as long as the amount of emitters is not limited. Would VW have not manipulated the cars but just have sold more of them, everything would have been "fine" and the level of emission would have been the same. And selling of "our" old cars to the 2nd and third world certainly does nothing to better the air....The potential hazard is there, sure, but neither lung diseases did get more prevalent nor did the emission readouts drop when most cars did where not driven during the lock down.(as quite few doctors, specialized lung researchers etc explained)
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Ref: The previous 'Oldchina' message: "I've just been listening to an old interview with D P Davies (ex UK CAA flight test) about the 727 certification.
Apparently Boeing didn't come clean with the FAA and "together" they certified the plane with unacceptable stall characteristics.
There was one fatal accident. Boeing only fitted a stick pusher later at the insistence of the CAA, for Dan Air.
What's new?"
If my memory serves me correctly it was also once a UK CAA Additional Requirement to have Stick Pushers fitted to early B737s (such as 737-200) prior to those aircraft being allowed to be put on the UK Register.
Apparently Boeing didn't come clean with the FAA and "together" they certified the plane with unacceptable stall characteristics.
There was one fatal accident. Boeing only fitted a stick pusher later at the insistence of the CAA, for Dan Air.
What's new?"
If my memory serves me correctly it was also once a UK CAA Additional Requirement to have Stick Pushers fitted to early B737s (such as 737-200) prior to those aircraft being allowed to be put on the UK Register.
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