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Easy Jet : Safety Culture : Using sickness absence to select for redundancy

Old 10th Jul 2020, 15:33
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Easy Jet : Safety Culture : Using sickness absence to select for redundancy

If any of us have a temperature, a persistent cough, or a loss of sense of taste or smell we have a public duty to self isolate. We each have a duty to do all that we can to stop the spread of this virus. Despite this and against the back ground of the biggest public health emergency the human race has faced in at least 100 years the BBC are reporting that Easy Jet think that it is sufficiently acceptable to choose which pilots are to be made redundant and loose their jobs at least partly on the basis of sickness absence. To put coercive pressure on pilots to report for duty when unwell even in more normal times is unacceptable but against the background of a global pandemic is revolting.

If this policy continues then clearly an unsafe airline culture exists which must strike at the heart of the AOC. The Rice family will not be making an Easy Jet booking while the crew are subjected to this appalling pressure.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 16:16
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If only the majority of the public shared your opinion.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 16:21
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Generally the public will go for the cheapest option,just my view.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 16:46
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Time to write to the MP

I am going to write a quick email to my MP about this and request that he get an explanation from the Department of Transport of how it is that in the age of isolating and shielding others from this dreadful disease that crews can be subjected to increased risk of redundancy if they dare report sick. Probably find if you dig deep enough into the weeds of the business you will find an AME or two looking through pilot records helping the business select pilots for the chop. If you don't feel well don't go to work. If you feel stressed about the threat of redundancy don't go to work. If you feel that you have to go to work due to fear of being dismissed maybe stepping away from the industry for a while will probably be a good thing and when the market recovers telling the airlines to go ....themselves.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 17:26
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.....BBC are reporting that Easy Jet think that it is sufficiently acceptable to choose which pilots are to be made redundant and loose their jobs at least partly on the basis of sickness absence.
Well, that word 'partly' is kind of important. And there's a bit more to a positive safety culture than how an operator decides to make positions redundant when times are hard.

But if it is as simple as you suggest, then I agree that it is not conducive to an optimal operation. Which is why I suspect you're wrong.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 17:29
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Suspect also they might "do a pablo" and use the occasion to rid themselves of those they consider undesirables/troublemakers, never let a good crisis go to waste as they say. Not sure anyone expected anything less. And I was a pablo supporter before any think I'm denigrating him!
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 17:55
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BA pilot management announced some time ago that sickness records would be part of their CR criteria.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 18:02
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Partly isn't strong enough, mostly would be more appropriate.

They mention 3 things, starting with conduct (lateness, refusing duties, discipline etc) as holding the strongest weighting. There really aren't that many people who have these sort of thins, perhaps <5% where it's significant enough to be noteworthy. The rest of the matrix is pretty much entirely sickness related. In addition to that, it says that trainers and those that have specific airport qualifications (Innsbruck etc) will be looked very favourably upon. Trainers and airport qualified guys make up perhaps another 15%? So basically, for the remaining 80% of decent pilots, the airline proposes that sickness will be the primary reason for making someone redundant.

This is the first round of redundancies, with potentially more to come. What's the chance of a pilot calling in sick when they need to over the next few years with this hanging over their heads?
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 18:09
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I have unfortunately (in another industry) been involved in choosing criteria for redundancy scoring and selection which is a horrible thing to have to do. We collectively decided that sickness absence was not a fair measure to use as it would damage our culture of safety behaviour and reporting (another industry where health and safety is paramount).
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 19:10
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Unfortunately In all companies, there are some chancers out there that tactically use sickness.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 19:16
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exactly.... and I suspect the OP is one of them....?
or very close to one!
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 19:24
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
BA pilot management announced some time ago that sickness records would be part of their CR criteria.
As is the case in vast numbers of redundancy consultations., largely because it's relevant and legal if competently applied.

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Old 10th Jul 2020, 19:31
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And pilots never use 'sickness' as a rostering tool. Get real, companies know exactly who do and who don't.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 19:54
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For clarity sickness is not being used at BA nor Virgin Atlantic.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 19:58
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Sense of proportion required

The OP refers to Covid19 as the biggest 'health emergency' of the last 100 years. Really? Can we take it then that he does not believe that the people dying in far greater numbers from other causes somehow don't count. How about deaths resulting from obesity, alcohol abuse,drug abuse, painkiller addiction, smoking, cancer in all it's forms , malaria etc etc...

There is no question that Covid19 is extremely nasty and will kill thousands but, against a background death rate of all those listed above (and many others) it is really not worth destroying or economy and disrupting our lives so that we can kid ourselves that we can hide from it or fix it. The virus is here now and is here to stay. If it's a question of mankind vs nature, nature will win every time.
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nature will win every time.
It didn't against smallpox
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 20:08
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As pilots are required by law not to operate when unfit due to sickness or fatigue then this policy is likely to end up in multiple cases taken for unfair dismissal. As they frequently tells their crew not to report when sick or fatigued and itís clearly stated in their operation manual along with several other sources then to use it putatively is a non starter. Conduct like continuously late, pattern sickness or no shows yes but as thereís a policy to follow for all these it canít be suddenly used. Only something on record as part of the disciplinary process can be used. Itís a tactic anyway devised to scare crew into operating as much as possible, even when sick. It will fail and crews will continue to abide by the ANO and their operations manual. Management have ample procedures available to pick out the trouble makers. Sad times that itís comes to jeopardising safety for profit.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 20:52
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Are they planning on using pre-covid sickness and absence records? it seems unfair if not.
as mentioned BA will use stats as will Jet2 , which may be a wake up call for some, as with all scenarios there will be genuine cases and lead-swingers.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 21:09
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It might well be that they are using pre Covid sickness records. I also think that frequency and timing may play a role.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 23:02
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
BA pilot management announced some time ago that sickness records would be part of their CR criteria.
I do recall some mention of this some time ago - I can't remember if it was rumour or from an official source.

But for clarity, BA are not using sickness, or any other absense for that matter, as part of their criteria.
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