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Drug smuggling jet downed in Mexico ?

Old 6th Jul 2020, 20:22
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On a more general note, this article makes for interesting reading:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...e/?arc404=true

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Old 6th Jul 2020, 20:48
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Originally Posted by Aso View Post
Build like a tank and readily available... Cant blame them
Also quite capable of operating from rough strips, and even grass ( no pun intended! )
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 21:34
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Originally Posted by 172driver View Post
On a more general note, this article makes for interesting reading:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...e/?arc404=true

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Clear any WaPo cookies. You then get two articles for free.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 09:29
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I'm amazed by the scale of these smugler jet operations going on in this area.

Seen overviews, the frequencies of incident / accidents of this events .

Who are these pilots ? Apparently there is no short supply of business jets, Gulfstreams, 125's, Citations or restrictions buying them..


https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/d...finds-10249767
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 13:33
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As the old saying goes, just follow the money.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 15:42
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Raymond Boulanger did an excellent two hour long interview with Mikey McBrian of (Buffalo Airways fame) on Mikey's youtube channel recently.

He talks about all of his flying, starting with the CIA/Air America type stuff and moving swiftly in to the flying of valuable cargos in south america. Absolutely fascinating stuff!


His flying was back in the 80s/90s but it looks like things haven't changed much - get your hands on a load of cheap jets and ditch them where you land. Doesn't matter as long as you get the cargo out and on to the waiting trucks.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 01:32
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Wow....Diverskii...tanx for saving my boring night alone at home...amazing!!!
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 01:35
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Yes that was a great interview but you have to really listen up and pay attention because he such a non-nonchalant soft speaker you might miss something. One story he flew a Convair from Bogota to Nova Scotia full of coke (12K over weight) by flying right up the middle of the Atlantic only to be met by a pair of F18's who subsequently run low on fuel and have to RTB, he flies on.
I'm kinda torn about it all, very interesting flying stuff but I'm sure it left a trail of human destruction along the way.

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Old 11th Jul 2020, 11:09
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Originally Posted by keesje View Post
I'm amazed by the scale of these smugler jet operations going on in this area.

Seen overviews, the frequencies of incident / accidents of this events .

Who are these pilots ? Apparently there is no short supply of business jets, Gulfstreams, 125's, Citations or restrictions buying them..

https://youtu.be/w5zuUt9Xdmc

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/d...finds-10249767
was that buzzing noise at the end a police plane chasing after it?
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 11:36
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Chopper. Can be seen momentarily towards the end.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 13:03
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Probably the 'boss' monitoring the take off.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 15:25
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or ATC if they have a lot of shipments
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 19:59
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It was local militairy UH-1. A local airforce pilot is flying out the abandoned aircraft to civilized place.

Getting the origiins / history of this Bae-125 jet should be pretty easy,

Of course the XB-
RCM registration is fake, but serial numbers everywhere.



Someone bought it into it's illegal status in the US. Where did it depart from? there must be a flight plan etc.

Also it's whereabouts before they pulled the transponder..


Intriguing un dated photo.. already with the fake registration.


Just did quick research you can buy a flyable (dependent on requirements) 40 yr old 125 for $400k
https://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft/pri...ft/700a/357343
If you are shipping 10 mln worth of powder etc. & pay a crew $100k..

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Old 11th Jul 2020, 23:22
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Originally Posted by keesje View Post
Of course the XB-RCM registration is fake, but serial numbers everywhere.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1279877912267759629

Someone bought it into it's illegal status in the US.


https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8674939
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 11:34
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I find it hard to believe that the Mexican Gov. forced a jet to land with a helicopter. Shoot it down with an air to air missile is possible, but the jet shows no signs of a missile attack. So most likely they had a dual engine failure and had to make a forced landing. That ground transportation for the crew and load was available on short notice adds to that. The Mexican Airforce has currently no assets with jet speed.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:47
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You seem to be right . No a single interceptor / sidewinder to be found. A few aging F5 have been retired / grounded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexica...rent_inventory

A huge country with 120 mln people & (official) $1200B GPD.

If you have money, buy a 40 yr old BAE125 /G II in the US & nobody can catch you.

And it's happening on a big scale.

Obviously I don't understand / know. Is it blocked / frustrated by interest groups?

A democratic state like Mexico should be sovereign in their air space.

Get them some F16 / M2000 / Mig29s and radar stations..

I know, far too simple / complicated.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 16:53
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Originally Posted by Diverskii View Post
Raymond Boulanger did an excellent two hour long interview with Mikey McBrian of (Buffalo Airways fame) on Mikey's youtube channel recently.
Great video, thanks!
I enjoyed every minute of it.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 20:47
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Sadly, this is business as usual in Mexico.

Read a couple of news articles about the incident and apparently the plane took off from Venezuela with no flight plan and transponder turned off and was picked up by Mexican radar before crossing the border, two Mexican Air Force E-145 AWACS were scrambled as well as a T-6 Texan which ultimately ended up intercepting the plane and tried making radio contact with them to no avail. Also says visual signs were used by the MAF pilot but ignored by the HS125 crew, which ended up landing on a highway where they had a truck waiting for them, set the plane on fire and fled. Also they mention a helicopter was deployed but only after the plane had already landed. Crew apparently ditched the truck and ran into the jungle before authorities arrived.

Here's one of the source articles in Spanish:

https://www.milenio.com/politica/asi...trello-en-qroo
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 12:58
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I don't get it:
They were shot and had to go down somewhere on a highway - and then a truck was ready to take the "cargo"? Too much of a coincidence.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 15:56
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What I found interesting is that they had a van and personnel on the ground available on short notice to pick up the merchandise. That says something about the cartel's size and organization.
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