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DL Retiring its 777 Fleet

Old 14th May 2020, 15:16
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DL Retiring its 777 Fleet

Ed Bastian this morning: “With international travel expected to return slowly, we’ve also made the difficult decision to permanently retire our Boeing 777 fleet — 18 aircraft — by the end of the year,” Bastian told staff. He said more “fuel-efficient and cost-effective” A330s and A350-900 planes, made by Europe’s Airbus will be used instead. “Retiring a fleet as iconic as the 777 is not an easy decision — I know it has a direct impact on many of you who fly, crew and service these jets.”
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Old 14th May 2020, 17:27
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I'm sure that many people reading this know who DL is, and what company Ed Bastian works for. For what it's worth, I'm not one of those people....
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Old 14th May 2020, 17:30
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Old 14th May 2020, 17:41
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Retiring 18 777's.


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Old 14th May 2020, 17:59
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Interesting, they keep the 767s with are on average over 22 years old and get rid of the 777 which are only 15 years old. .But of course the number of aircraft are not the same ...
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Old 14th May 2020, 18:19
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Originally Posted by Pilot DAR View Post
I'm sure that many people reading this know who DL is, and what company Ed Bastian works for. For what it's worth, I'm not one of those people....
I always feel apologetic about using those secret airline codes like SQ, CX, QF and BR here on the so-called Professional Pilots Rumour Network. It's an airline thing I suppose. Most non-Americans wouldn't be familiar with BK (but I think some of them are about to find out what it means ).

A scheduler thought that BR was based in London when she built an ad hoc deadhead back to base for me after a mechanical in Asia years ago.
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Old 14th May 2020, 18:23
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The crews on B767 (77 units) are less costly than those on B777 (18 units).

B763 (56) $296hr
B764 (21) $334hr
B777 (18) $354hr

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Old 14th May 2020, 19:15
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Today isn't a good day for Delta. This announcement is actually the "good" news. According to this

https://news.delta.com/deltas-777-ai...-amid-covid-19

Delta will continue flying its fleet of long-haul next generation Airbus A350-900s, which burn 21% less fuel per seat than the 777s they will replace.
My bold. If the 777 is that much less efficient than the A350, how is Boeing still selling them? What am I missing here?

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Old 14th May 2020, 19:29
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If the 777 is that much less efficient than the A350, how is Boeing still selling them? What am i missing here?
One needs to consider ownership costs (maintenance etc.) balanced against re-sale values per aircraft model.

I got a car I would like to sell you cheap so I can afford my new car with no real maintenance costs, yet, and it also gets 20% better mileages.

Act now! don't let it go, fully guaranteed until next scheduled maintenance (which is next month) and requires removal of the engine for an update
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Old 14th May 2020, 20:17
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
A scheduler thought that BR was based in London when she built an ad hoc deadhead back to base for me after a mechanical in Asia years ago.
Well in all fairness, until 1987 BR was the code for British Caledonian...
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Old 14th May 2020, 20:27
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Well in all fairness, until 1987 BR was the code for British Caledonian...
Didn't know that, thanks. She would sometimes ask me questions like 'What's the Zulu time over there in Narita?'
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Old 14th May 2020, 20:31
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Today isn't a good day for Delta. This announcement is actually the "good" news. According to this

https://news.delta.com/deltas-777-ai...-amid-covid-19

My bold. If the 777 is that much less efficient than the A350, how is Boeing still selling them? What am I missing here?
That's why the 777X is in flight test. The original 777 is 25 years old technology and two decades older than the A350.
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Old 14th May 2020, 20:40
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Originally Posted by Check Airman View Post
If the 777 is that much less efficient than the A350, how is Boeing still selling them? What am I missing here?
Because Boeing is not selling these versions of the 777 any more. Some are 20-year old 777-200s, and the ones 12 years old are the 777-200LR, long range version, a poor seller whose only advantage was on flights longer than Delta has in their network, and otherwise have higher seat mile costs. The 20-year old ones are likely coming up to an expensive D-check at some stage.
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Delta has projected lower passenger volume for a long time after the pandemic is over. Emirates has even stated the days of the A380 have been shattered, so it makes economic sense to get rid of the larger platforms. The 767 fits in with an A350 - A330 - B767 size structure by passenger volume per plane if Delta's projections say they can no longer fill a 777. I'm not current on Delta's plan for retiring the 767. I remember them stating they would be interested in being a launch customer of a Boeing NMA, but that was a few years ago and their current plan appears to get rid of anything without a side stick. Will they become an A321-XLR customer using that to fill the gap when they eliminate the 767 and 737-900ERs?
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Old 14th May 2020, 21:15
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The 777s could be easy to sell for freighter conversions.
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In a related development, emphasis mine.

May 14, 2020 / 10:09 AM / Updated 3 hours ago

Delta, others wrestle with too many planes, too many pilots

(Reuters) - Delta Air Lines (DAL.N) moved to retire its Boeing Co (BA.N) 777 fleet and reduce its pilot ranks on Thursday as it joins other airlines wrestling with the need to shrink their operations to match reduced air travel due to the coronavirus crisis.

After announcing that it would no longer fly its 18 wide-body 777s, Delta told its 14,500 pilots that it expects to have 7,000 more than it needs in the fall, according to a memo to flight operations employees first reported by Reuters.

“I recognize that is an alarming number so it’s important to know that our intent is to align staffing for what we need over the long term,” John Laughter [sic], S.V.P. of flight operations, said in the May 14 memo seen by Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22Q2B4
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Old 14th May 2020, 22:26
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Thanks to the guys who explained the higher 777 cost
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
That's why the 777X is in flight test. The original 777 is 25 years old technology and two decades older than the A350.


Second prototype taking off. Photo is courtesy of Boeing.
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Old 14th May 2020, 23:12
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Best Boeing hurry and get that puppy made....a lot of airlines with "expensive" 777s out there, including mine.
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Old 14th May 2020, 23:43
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Airbubba...
Don't feel apologetic about using the ICAO or IATA codes, after all this is a "Professional Pilots Rumour Network".
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