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Who will survive this and be here in 6 months ?

Old 9th May 2020, 08:11
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Should the government and other agencies arrange everything in a democracy? You can also appeal to your citizenship to keep the necessary distance between others.

If it's too busy on that train and you feel you can't keep the social distance apart, get off and take the next less crowded train just like you would on a bus. These transport companies already provide extra trains and buses, only to allow you as a traveler to keep your distance.

In an airplane it is different you can not compare with the above, here are the airlines that must ensure that you can always keep social distance from a fellow passenger, when boarding and disembarking, but also during the flight.
This will take a lot of inspiration from the airlines, but I am sure that a solution can be found to the satisfaction of those who want to take the plane. The solution has to come, because it is now a matter of surviving for the airlines, they absolutely cannot turn their heads or cry as little babies at the ice cream shop.

It's just a new world and everyone will have to put in an extra effort for a while before it can return to normal.
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Old 9th May 2020, 10:33
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What a ridiculous reply.

So under your logic, sitting next to someone on a plane needs to be legislated as it is more risky than a train, boat, bus, taxi, restuarant.

Now I know who the target audience is of the need to wash our hands.
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Old 9th May 2020, 11:01
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Despite the lockdown, we've settled at 5000 cases per day and 600 deaths per day for almost a month. Removing the lockdown now or at any point will result in a rapid daily rise. This thing is too damn contagious. Look at this and ask yourself, even with contact tracing and testing, without a lockdown, how on earth will the number of cases reduce to below 5000 per day? I just can't see it. A vaccine is 12-18 months away, until then, what? lockdown?


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Old 9th May 2020, 11:27
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Exactly. That was always the issue with entering lockdown without a credible exit plan beyond hoping for an effective vaccine and/ or treatment to be developed in an incredibly short timescale. Lockdown for the long term is simply not a feasible solution.
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Old 9th May 2020, 11:57
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At the beginning of April they were testing 10K people a day. Now they are testing around 100K people a day. The number of cases being found now likely reflects the number of people being tested rather than a static number of cases in the country.
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Old 9th May 2020, 12:27
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That's a valid point but one I've not heard anyone from ourleadership mention.
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Old 9th May 2020, 13:24
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Originally Posted by IBE8720 View Post
Can someone explain to me why ONLY the airline industry, according to the experts on this site, will have to enforce social distancong rules?

I am sitting on a train sharing a cabin with 4 complete strangers.
To get to the train station, I took a bus from the airport. On the bus, 3 or 4 people at least rubbed shoulders with me moving around. On the plane, I had people sitting within arms length distance of other passengers the entire flight.
To get to the plane, we were loaded onto a bus, standing room only. And there would have had to be 30-40 people o that bus.

I totally agree - if Social Distancing is required then it is as required on public transport as it is on an airplane. Which is why I dont understand some of the other rules that have been brought in in London. We have seen pavements widened by taking away one lane of traffic, they are talking about more roads blocked off for pedestrians, longer red light waits, more cycle lanes etc - all of these are going to increase congestion for cars at precisely the time when you want people to swap from public transport to private vehicles to allow for social distancing.

There doesn't seem to be an awful lot of joined up thinking.
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Old 9th May 2020, 18:26
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Never lose hope (after the dip)

Hello, my aviation friends!

Times are hard for aviators, and so for me! My type rating with a European airline was stopped right in the middle of the simulator part in March and I don't know what will happen next.

That's why I share this video. It shows the airlines with the highest revenue in the world from 1995 - 2020. You can clearly see some huge decreases (for example during the crisis in 2008), but you know what? After the dip there was always a huge spike up!

So don't lose hope for the following months/years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxbpZ4tvOqc&lc=UgymdFBbSp-zCu5xAN14AaABAg

Airlines with the highest revenue 1995 - 2020

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Old 12th May 2020, 02:54
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Boeing CEO predicts coronavirus pandemic will claim a major U.S. airline. He didn't name names

Dawn Gilbertson
USA TODAY

9:11 pm May 11, 2020

With anemic passenger counts and no signs travel will rebound quickly from the coronavirus pandemic, airlines are fighting for their financial lives.

They're looking everywhere but the couch cushions to raise badly needed cash and the threat looms of major layoffs this fall.

Boeing CEO David Calhoun thinks one major U.S. carrier won't survive.

Calhoun, who replaced the plane maker's longtime CEO in January in the wake of the prolonged 737 Max crisis, made the prediction to NBC "Today" co-anchor Savannah Guthrie.

Guthrie, in an interview scheduled to air on the network Tuesday, asked Calhoun if "there might be a major U.S. carrier that just has to go out of business?''

"Yes, most likely,'' Calhoun said.

He didn't name names or define "major" airline in the 22-second snippet NBC shared ahead of the full interview.

Calhoun told Guthrie passenger traffic levels will not be back to 100% by this fall, when payroll protection for employees under the CARES Act runs out. Airlines have said they will have to cut payroll costs to survive if business doesn't rebound by then.

"They won't even be back to 25 (%),'' Calhoun said. "Maybe by the end of the year we approach 50 (%). So there will definitely be adjustments that have to be made on the part of the airlines.''
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Old 13th May 2020, 06:16
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did you watch it ? anything interesting ? in an interview to Richard quest in CNN Al Baker on Monday , CEO from Qatar declared it will take at least 3 years for Qatar airways to rebound How to weather the storm is the critical thing for any airline today .
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Old 13th May 2020, 17:22
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Excellent new editorial from IFALPA on the future post Covid-19 :
https://www.ifalpa.org/media/3536/so...1-may-2020.pdf
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Old 13th May 2020, 19:34
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Thatís one of the most eloquent articles Iíve read in recent years regarding our industry. It need to be forwarded to law makers in all areas to make it happen.
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Old 13th May 2020, 22:02
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher View Post
Excellent new editorial from IFALPA on the future post Covid-19 :
https://www.ifalpa.org/media/3536/so...1-may-2020.pdf
So basically a return to pre-deregulation and a lot less pilot jobs.
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Old 13th May 2020, 23:38
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did you watch it ? anything interesting ? in an interview to Richard quest in CNN Al Baker on Monday , CEO from Qatar declared it will take at least 3 years for Qatar airways to rebound How to weather the storm is the critical thing for any airline today .
Not a whole lot more than the pull quote from a perhaps obvious question. As always, the sound bites that air in the promo are often chosen for shock value to promote viewer ratings.

The follow-up article to the airing of the interview is below. In the lede of the video in the article link the announcer proudly boasts that the prediction in Ms. Guthrie's inverview of Mr. Calhoun sent shockwaves through Wall Street and airline offices.

Coronavirus pandemic could force a major U.S. airline out of business, says Boeing CEO

"Something will happen when September comes around. Traffic levels will not be back to 100 percent. They won't even be back to 25 percent. So there will definitely be adjustments that have to be made on the part of the airlines," David Calhoun said.

May 12, 2020, 7:53 AM EDT

By Lucy Bayly

The airline industry is having an "apocalyptic" moment that could force a major U.S. carrier out of business, said David Calhoun, president and CEO of Boeing, in an interview with Savannah Guthrie on NBC's "TODAY" show that aired on Tuesday morning.

"The threat to the airline industry is grave. There's no question about it. And apocalyptic does actually accurately describe the moment," Calhoun said of the impact of the coronavirus.

The airline industry raked in record profits for a decade, due to lower jet fuel prices and consolidation through a series of mergers. That ended with the coronavirus pandemic, which has devastated the industry and has led to a 95 percent drop in air travel demand. American Airlines, United, Southwest and Delta all reported huge quarterly losses, their first in years. Airline executives have said the pandemic is the industry’s worst crisis, and have compared its impact to the events of September 11.

Despite billions of dollars in emergency funding as part of the government's CARES Act, the future for the industry remains uncertain, with many airline executives forecasting traffic will not return to prior levels for three to five years, leading to questions about the survival of some major carriers.

"I don't want to get too predictive on that subject. But yes, most likely," Calhoun said when asked if he thought a major U.S. carrier would have to go out of business.

"Something will happen when September comes around. Traffic levels will not be back to 100 percent. They won't even be back to 25 percent. So there will definitely be adjustments that have to be made on the part of the airlines," Calhoun said.

The air travel experience will be very different, he acknowledged. While he recommended that regulators require face masks, he said the interior of a plane's cabin was nonetheless "designed to prevent transmission of exactly this kind of airborne carrier."

"The cabin itself replaces its air every two to three minutes," he said. "By the time you layer those protections, and you consider the responsible actions of the public themselves, I believe you do gradually get back to the same level of confidence that we've had before."

Calhoun told the "TODAY" show he does not share the same view on the future of airlines as does billionaire investor Warren Buffet, who recently sold his entire $4 billion stake in U.S. airlines. Buffett said at the time he did not think people would fly as many passenger miles as they did last year.

“The world has changed for the airlines," Buffett said earlier this month at the annual shareholder meeting for his investment firm, Berkshire Hathaway. "I don’t know if Americans have now changed their habits or will change their habits because of the extended period.”

"I don't happen to share the view," Calhoun told Guthrie. "I share the near-term turmoil. Near-term for me doesn't mean a few months. I believe it's three full years before we return to the traffic levels that we had just in 2019, and then probably another two before we begin to return to the growth rates that we used to have. And I'm hopeful that somewhere between here and there, there's a vaccine, and that the moment of high anxiety begins to really subside. But I still believe in the future of the industry."

Guthrie also questioned Calhoun about the future of Boeing itself. The company's troubled 737 Max jet fleet remains grounded worldwide, after two crashes led to hundreds of fatalities.

"In remembrance of the two accidents, which were as real as can be, our heartfelt sorrows to everybody who was touched by those accidents," Calhoun said.

"We made a bad assumption, with respect to the design envelope for that airplane, at that moment in time, under that condition. Our assumption about how a pilot would react in a very tense, difficult moment was wrong. Simple as that. But I do believe that has been fixed. I also believe in the culture at Boeing. I believe — actually, all of our employees believe — deeply in safety. And have we taken a magnifying glass to everything we do, everything, so that we don't ever allow for something like that to happen in the future."

"I am confident in the Max," Calhoun said. "The certification work, the FAA's work, has been as thorough as anything I've ever seen. We've worked every scenario we can possibly work into the testing programs. And it does exceedingly well."

Calhoun also spoke proudly of how "magical" it was for Boeing to be helping out during the pandemic, delivering front-line emergency supplies.

"The pilots who fly these airplanes around the world, to deliver these supplies, it's our front line helping the health care front line," Calhoun said. "It's pretty magical when it happens, and it is wildly motivating for me, of course, but mostly for our people. And they need that kind of motivation."
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...iness-n1205036
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 13:13
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Friend who is owed money by Thai Airways just received an email reputedly from the Thai High Court stating they have filed for bankruptcy.

Nothing on the news, anyone else received the email or can confirm, or is this part of the restructuring to wipe its debts with creditors?

I know the Thai government said they would save them and allow them to restructure in mid-May, with the hearings due to start in August, and has started applying to the courts around the world to protect their assets from seizure.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/thai-...-idUKL4N2DM2AE

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/tran...s-from-seizure


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Yes, got the email too. Presumably because I'm a Thai frequent flyer/miles holder. They're bankrupt basically, that's the gist. Absolutely no surprise there.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 02:23
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Yes, got the email too. Presumably because I'm a Thai frequent flyer/miles holder. They're bankrupt basically, that's the gist. Absolutely no surprise there.
Also got the FF email warning this was coming. Then this today:



Looks similar to Chapter 11 protection??
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 05:36
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For sure. Thai Airways is a basket case. But we've all known that for years. Whether they'll survive this crisis in any way, shape, or form is anyone's guess. Probably not for the best if they do, just for national pride's sake maybe..
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 05:47
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Friend who is owed money by Thai Airways just received an email reputedly from the Thai High Court stating they have filed for bankruptcy.

Nothing on the news, anyone else received the email or can confirm, or is this part of the restructuring to wipe its debts with creditors?

I know the Thai government said they would save them and allow them to restructure in mid-May, with the hearings due to start in August, and has started applying to the courts around the world to protect their assets from seizure.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/thai-...-idUKL4N2DM2AE

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/tran...s-from-seizure
Yes. Also got the email

What is unbelievable is today TG announced all staff would be safe for the next year whilst they 'rehabilitate' the airline.

Seems they are still content to bleed cash whilst holding onto everyone's money.

No attempt to cut costs at all and just on going delays to any form of long overdue change.
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