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Who will survive this and be here in 6 months ?

Old 29th Apr 2020, 10:24
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Bidule :
Good luck to stop the riots!
That is an aspect of the problem we have not discussed much yet. Looking at the news this morning the Lebanese situation is probably being closely watched by many politicians today . Lebanon had the effects of a disrupted economy starting a few months before everyone else,and now , this combined with the virus lockdown effect is starting to produce riots on the streets. They are now attacking and burning banks and ATMs. , meaning in a short while nobody will have access to cash anymore, an effective way to create even more chaos..
It would seem that the number of months a government can keep its citizens under economic duress before reactions on the streets start to get ugly is indeed in single digits .
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 10:50
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That is an aspect of the problem we have not discussed much yet. Looking at the news this morning the Lebanese situation is probably being closely watched by many politicians today . Lebanon had the effects of a disrupted economy starting a few months before everyone else,and now , this combined with the virus lockdown effect is starting to produce riots on the streets. They are now attacking and burning banks and ATMs. , meaning in a short while nobody will have access to cash anymore, an effective way to create even more chaos..
It would seem that the number of months a government can keep its citizens under economic duress before reactions on the streets start to get ugly is indeed in single digits .
There’s another aspect that’s not discussed much and that’s the elder (older?) population.

Typically, 15%+ of the living depending upon ones definition of old.

Many of us already have existing death sentences and cannot afford to waste what life is remaining by sitting at home for even six months, let alone one year.

Again, typically this 15%+ have both disposable income and time and nothing to lose by going against the authoritarian rubbish that is being imposed.

Interesting times ahead I feel.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 11:52
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There’s another aspect that’s not discussed much and that’s the elder (older?) population.
Well, I'd say it is discussed, but in the form of telling the elderly what's good for them. The older population I have met and read about, mostly say they want lockdown lifted so they can LIVE, see their friends and family, and accept the risks of covid.

So who are the vast c.90% who supposedly poll as wanting the lockdown to continue? (amazingly a poll today found almost a third would still want lockdown to continue, even if all the conditions for lifting were met)! I do suspect part of it amongst 21st century, cosseted working age populations (especially lucky ones still being paid for doing nothing), is due to a form of cowardice, and also an increasing sedentary laziness (who by so doing, are at increased risk by their own hand through obesity and poor fitness). Wind back a century and people would laugh at a threat with such a tiny mortality rate. The tunnel vision on number of deaths, is blinding politicians to the infinitely greater number of diminished LIVES, and angsty media is similarly blinding their populations.


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Old 29th Apr 2020, 12:26
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That's right old guys, it's all young people doing it to you. You should be free to infect anyone you want, you have money after all. And 'they' had better open the airports up so you can fly where you like. It's an infringement on your fundamental right to be OK. Lazy cowards the lot of them. Humbug.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 12:57
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“FOSTER CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Apr. 29, 2020-- Gilead Sciences, Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) today announced topline results from the open-label, Phase 3 SIMPLE trial evaluating 5-day and 10-day dosing durations of the investigational antiviral remdesivir in hospitalized patients with severe manifestations of COVID-19 disease.”

The study demonstrates the potential for some patients to be treated with a 5-day regimen, which could significantly expand the number of patients who could be treated with our current supply of remdesivir. This is particularly important in the setting of a pandemic, to help hospitals and healthcare workers treat more patients in urgent need of care.”

https://www.gilead.com/news-and-pres...evere-covid-19

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Old 29th Apr 2020, 14:19
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“FOSTER CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Apr. 29, 2020-- Gilead Sciences, Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) today announced topline results from the open-label, Phase 3 SIMPLE trial evaluating 5-day and 10-day dosing durations of the investigational antiviral remdesivir in hospitalized patients with severe manifestations of COVID-19 disease.”

The study demonstrates the potential for some patients to be treated with a 5-day regimen, which could significantly expand the number of patients who could be treated with our current supply of remdesivir. This is particularly important in the setting of a pandemic, to help hospitals and healthcare workers treat more patients in urgent need of care.”

https://www.gilead.com/news-and-pres...evere-covid-19

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Before breaking out the champers, take a look at the false starts with Ebola treatment, for example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...20-4?r=US&IR=T
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 14:28
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Originally Posted by CaptainProp View Post
“FOSTER CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Apr. 29, 2020-- Gilead Sciences, Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) today announced topline results from the open-label, Phase 3 SIMPLE trial evaluating 5-day and 10-day dosing durations of the investigational antiviral remdesivir in hospitalized patients with severe manifestations of COVID-19 disease.”
The study demonstrates the potential for some patients to be treated with a 5-day regimen, which could significantly expand the number of patients who could be treated with our current supply of remdesivir. This is particularly important in the setting of a pandemic, to help hospitals and healthcare workers treat more patients in urgent need of care.”
https://www.gilead.com/news-and-pres...evere-covid-19
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this is more a PR statement than a real breakthrough , reading further in the same PR :
Remdesivir is not yet licensed or approved anywhere globally and has not yet been demonstrated to be safe or effective for the treatment of COVID-19. This study sought to determine whether a shorter, 5-day course of remdesivir would achieve similar efficacy results as the 10-day treatment regimen used in multiple ongoing studies of remdesivir.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 14:38
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Trains buses and cars are operating now. This is about opening borders and getting international air travel started. Which of the 7 options is realistic?
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 15:06
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this is more a PR statement than a real breakthrough , reading further in the same PR :

PR?? Of course it’s not approved(!), it’s initial results from a phase 3 trial. Did you even read the entire release?

Gilead plans to submit the full data for publication in a peer-reviewed journal in the coming weeks.”

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Old 29th Apr 2020, 16:40
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PR = Press Release . and reading the contents it is just that.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 18:52
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Spanish Gov. see external borders closed until October (in Spanish)

Put the Sangria on ice, >>> for 5 months. It's a long relaxing holiday but only for the Bongs-Bongs & ze 'Busses . I think Spain get 60 Million tourists a year, or used to.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 02:05
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Mandatory quarantine of 14 days at authorized centers for all incoming passenge
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quite the opposite - Again - do this and the airlines and airports will remain almost completely inactive. It makes holiday travel and business travel impractical ... leaving what?
Short-term cheap package holiday travel: indeed gone
Business conferences and the like: as above, dead as the dodo
Long-term holiday travel - say 3 months plus: still viable, these folks will travel Business or Premium Economy if they're feeling cheap
Secondary school and tertiary study: no going 'home' in the short holiday breaks, otherwise still as doable as now
Trans-border moving house for a job change: just a longer gap between posts, very little change really

I'd guess that will leave about 25% to 30% of the 2019 travel still in the market and would be doom for the majority of LCCs and make life every difficult for airport companies / authorities, ATC providers and for Airbus & Boeing

Just my $0.02
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 11:13
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Spanish Gov. see external borders closed until October (in Spanish)

Put the Sangria on ice, >>> for 5 months. It's a long relaxing holiday but only for the Bongs-Bongs & ze 'Busses . I think Spain get 60 Million tourists a year, or used to.
That'll get the regions fired up! Andalucia is already wanting to start firing up the tourist industry! They risk a massive level of unemployment down there!

Besides, my primary residence is in Spain so would like to get back there sometime soon from Dubai! Could be a while...
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 12:19
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The Sicilian regional government is offering to subsidise tourists who book holidays on the island before the end of the year, to the tune of half of their flight cost and one third of their hotel bill.
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That'll get the regions fired up! Andalucia is already wanting to start firing up the tourist industry! They risk a massive level of unemployment down there!

Besides, my primary residence is in Spain so would like to get back there sometime soon from Dubai! Could be a while...

My primary residence is also Spain.. It’s why I hold Spanish residency, pay my tax and social here and am a member of SEPLA.. Yep, I’m English, work and fly across many borders and have fully taken on board all the logistics and indeed politics to actually call this not only my ‘primary residence’, but also my home.

Sorry, that all sounds a bit arrogant for sure.. Difficult times I know, apologies..

I truly feel that somewhere down the path of aviation (pilot role) we have lost control of the most simple terms of engagement.

Be safe all of you and understand that these setbacks in what we as pilots would call our ‘career’ has happened quite a few times before. Of course it will return, in the meantime find yourself something very constructive for you and if you have, family.. For truly. That’s what is really important right now. Ensure you love and are loved somewhere. Yes, I could write now until the ducks come home, but I will not.

Be safe, find something to entertain your emotions and desires so you can return full of strength when the time arrives.

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Old 30th Apr 2020, 14:30
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Have people seen this

https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...JNFG8lAroPI0Kc

Might not do much good but we can only try
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55k already. That's good going relatively speaking.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 17:16
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Have people seen this

https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...JNFG8lAroPI0Kc

Might not do much good but we can only try
The government know what’s going on. Why people think a website with a few ticks is going to lead them down any different path.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 17:30
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The Sicilian regional government is offering to subsidise tourists who book holidays on the island before the end of the year, to the tune of half of their flight cost and one third of their hotel bill.
I am sure Turkey will start the most offensive campaign very soon, undercutting anybody else. They are very agressive when it comes to bumping out competitors.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 19:24
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I am sure Turkey will start the most offensive campaign very soon, undercutting anybody else. They are very agressive when it comes to bumping out competitors.
Then return home to a 14 day quarantine which is on the cards.
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