Weight and Balance issue/diversion
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Weight and Balance issue/diversion
I came across this interesting diversion from a few years ago and initially wondered why they didn't continue to destination. But as a commenter on the site wrote, perhaps it would have been out of limits with a lesser fuel quantity....
"Incident: British Airways B744 at Toronto and Montreal on Jun 22nd 2016, mass and balance problemA British Airways Boeing 747-400, registration G-CIVJ performing flight BA-92 from Toronto,ON (Canada) to London Heathrow,EN (UK), was enroute at FL350 about 110nm eastnortheast of Montreal,QC (Canada) when the crew decided to turn around and divert to Montreal due to a cargo loading error. The aircraft landed safely on Montreal's runway 24R about 105 minutes after departure from Toronto and about 55 minutes after the decision to divert.The aircraft departed Montreal after about 2 hours on the ground and reached London with a delay of 3 hours.
A passenger reported cargo had been loaded into an invalid cargo bay. The aircraft diverted to have the cargo reloaded correctly.
According to information The Aviation Herald received a cargo container was erroneously loaded into bay C5 resulting in a mass and balance issue. The cargo was unloaded and correctly loaded."
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"IMHO the cargo loading error could have been detected after the plane had left.
The cargo department informed the company and did a re-calculation with the actual cargo loads.
Probably the landing CG (with only reserve fuel on board) was out off limits, so they decided to make a safety landing with more fuel on boardat Montreal.(CG still in limits)"
"Incident: British Airways B744 at Toronto and Montreal on Jun 22nd 2016, mass and balance problemA British Airways Boeing 747-400, registration G-CIVJ performing flight BA-92 from Toronto,ON (Canada) to London Heathrow,EN (UK), was enroute at FL350 about 110nm eastnortheast of Montreal,QC (Canada) when the crew decided to turn around and divert to Montreal due to a cargo loading error. The aircraft landed safely on Montreal's runway 24R about 105 minutes after departure from Toronto and about 55 minutes after the decision to divert.The aircraft departed Montreal after about 2 hours on the ground and reached London with a delay of 3 hours.
A passenger reported cargo had been loaded into an invalid cargo bay. The aircraft diverted to have the cargo reloaded correctly.
According to information The Aviation Herald received a cargo container was erroneously loaded into bay C5 resulting in a mass and balance issue. The cargo was unloaded and correctly loaded."
Comment below....
"IMHO the cargo loading error could have been detected after the plane had left.
The cargo department informed the company and did a re-calculation with the actual cargo loads.
Probably the landing CG (with only reserve fuel on board) was out off limits, so they decided to make a safety landing with more fuel on boardat Montreal.(CG still in limits)"
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Probably, the crew mentioned it to the pax and the pax relayed it along further, perhaps to AvHerald. I believe it was post-incident.
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Was on a flight Vancouver-Toronto-London a few years ago and they loaded 100 plus passengers in the front half of the aircraft and left the rear half totally empty. Felt really nervous but reckoned they must have balanced it with the baggage. Flew safely but is still seemed a curious way to do it. Filled the rest of the aircraft in Toronto.
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Back in early 70's, finished work in company offices in AMS, tried to get a non-rev seat AMS-LHR
No chance for a non-rev seat on a Friday afternoon.
Eventually after bouncing round all the desks was suggested to try VIASA because they did not have traffic rights AMS-LHR,
Once boarded, they solved the W&B problem by seating one pax in aisle seats, both sides, alternate rows the length of the DC8.
Airborne, it was demonstrated what they understood by step-climb.
No chance for a non-rev seat on a Friday afternoon.
Eventually after bouncing round all the desks was suggested to try VIASA because they did not have traffic rights AMS-LHR,
Once boarded, they solved the W&B problem by seating one pax in aisle seats, both sides, alternate rows the length of the DC8.
Airborne, it was demonstrated what they understood by step-climb.
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I came across this interesting diversion from a few years ago and initially wondered why they didn't continue to destination. But as a commenter on the site wrote, perhaps it would have been out of limits with a lesser fuel quantity....
"Incident: British Airways B744 at Toronto and Montreal on Jun 22nd 2016, mass and balance problemA British Airways Boeing 747-400, registration G-CIVJ performing flight BA-92 from Toronto,ON (Canada) to London Heathrow,EN (UK), was enroute at FL350 about 110nm eastnortheast of Montreal,QC (Canada) when the crew decided to turn around and divert to Montreal due to a cargo loading error. The aircraft landed safely on Montreal's runway 24R about 105 minutes after departure from Toronto and about 55 minutes after the decision to divert.The aircraft departed Montreal after about 2 hours on the ground and reached London with a delay of 3 hours.
A passenger reported cargo had been loaded into an invalid cargo bay. The aircraft diverted to have the cargo reloaded correctly.
According to information The Aviation Herald received a cargo container was erroneously loaded into bay C5 resulting in a mass and balance issue. The cargo was unloaded and correctly loaded."
Comment below....
"IMHO the cargo loading error could have been detected after the plane had left.
The cargo department informed the company and did a re-calculation with the actual cargo loads.
Probably the landing CG (with only reserve fuel on board) was out off limits, so they decided to make a safety landing with more fuel on boardat Montreal.(CG still in limits)"
"Incident: British Airways B744 at Toronto and Montreal on Jun 22nd 2016, mass and balance problemA British Airways Boeing 747-400, registration G-CIVJ performing flight BA-92 from Toronto,ON (Canada) to London Heathrow,EN (UK), was enroute at FL350 about 110nm eastnortheast of Montreal,QC (Canada) when the crew decided to turn around and divert to Montreal due to a cargo loading error. The aircraft landed safely on Montreal's runway 24R about 105 minutes after departure from Toronto and about 55 minutes after the decision to divert.The aircraft departed Montreal after about 2 hours on the ground and reached London with a delay of 3 hours.
A passenger reported cargo had been loaded into an invalid cargo bay. The aircraft diverted to have the cargo reloaded correctly.
According to information The Aviation Herald received a cargo container was erroneously loaded into bay C5 resulting in a mass and balance issue. The cargo was unloaded and correctly loaded."
Comment below....
"IMHO the cargo loading error could have been detected after the plane had left.
The cargo department informed the company and did a re-calculation with the actual cargo loads.
Probably the landing CG (with only reserve fuel on board) was out off limits, so they decided to make a safety landing with more fuel on boardat Montreal.(CG still in limits)"
a cargo container was erroneously loaded into bay C5
Furthermore, the aeroplane must have been in trim at ZFW i.e. with zero fuel.
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You can't fit a container in Cpt 5.
Would love to the LS on this. I do know of a flight that was massively out of trim as engineering had put a ridiculously heavy pallet in Cpt1 and didn't bother telling anyone.
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