KLM UK pilot integration?
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KLM UK pilot integration?
Anything heard regarding KLM Uk pilots joining the bottom
of KLM mainline seniority list, with permanent seat protection.
Both KLM and KLM Uk pilots will be able to crossbid fleetwide. ??
of KLM mainline seniority list, with permanent seat protection.
Both KLM and KLM Uk pilots will be able to crossbid fleetwide. ??
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It has just been announced by the Dutch union that a deal has
been reached between the union and KLM about the KLM
Cityhopper (full) integration with the KLM seniority list.Details not
known. In the statement is is said that the KLM UK integration
with KLM Cityhopper should be implemented on Nov. 1st. So
things are moving fast.
been reached between the union and KLM about the KLM
Cityhopper (full) integration with the KLM seniority list.Details not
known. In the statement is is said that the KLM UK integration
with KLM Cityhopper should be implemented on Nov. 1st. So
things are moving fast.
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The details are out:
KLM UK pilots will have a one time choice: Join Buzz or stay as pilots for the new KLC UK.
If they choose KLC UK, they join the master seniority list of KLM at the bottom with full transfer rights, eventually, into mainline KLM. They can retain their current function at least until 2005, whereafter they accept a function based on their seniority at that time, which may have to mean they transfer to the right seat of their type.
In a nutshell.
KLM UK pilots will have a one time choice: Join Buzz or stay as pilots for the new KLC UK.
If they choose KLC UK, they join the master seniority list of KLM at the bottom with full transfer rights, eventually, into mainline KLM. They can retain their current function at least until 2005, whereafter they accept a function based on their seniority at that time, which may have to mean they transfer to the right seat of their type.
In a nutshell.
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What are the pros and cons as viewed by the UK pilots. Looks like a tough choice for the more senior or older pilot. Could someone with the prospect of making this choice please give some insight! Thanks.
short flights long nights
Ok, so what about Buzz and Basiq air? Ideas, anyone?
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The KLM NL homepage states that anyone applying for a pilot job in KLM must meet the following requirement: "Speaking Dutch before entering KLM". Suppose this wouldn't apply to KLC UK guys though, or would it? Any notices yet on the company bulletin board for crash courses in Dutch (no pun intended)?
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The KLM NL homepage states that anyone applying for a pilot job in KLM must meet the following requirement: "Speaking Dutch before entering KLM". Suppose this wouldn't apply to KLC UK guys though, or would it? Any notices yet on the company bulletin board for crash courses in Dutch (no pun intended)?
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It is my opinion that the VNV want rid of AirUK and its' British workforce to silence the moaning of their first and second officers who joined a major but cant stomach the major wait for promotion. Put simply they want the UK commands.
I expect KLM will suffer the vast cost increase required to smooth the introduction of the 777 and A330.
Just my opinion of course, not trying to start anything. After all aren't we all Europeans together. I'm sure the VNV believe they are doing the UK boys a favour by allowing them to become first class citizens even if they are less equal than others.
I expect KLM will suffer the vast cost increase required to smooth the introduction of the 777 and A330.
Just my opinion of course, not trying to start anything. After all aren't we all Europeans together. I'm sure the VNV believe they are doing the UK boys a favour by allowing them to become first class citizens even if they are less equal than others.
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imhotep,
That`s a bit simply put. The wish to join AirUK with KLM was a wish from the company. The VNV has merely negotiated the circumstances. They aren`t bad, for no-one.
The guys who want to keep things as they are can do that and for others there`s a chance to go long-haul. Everybody benefits.
Cheers.
I`m happy to see a Brit think of us as one Europe, though
That`s a bit simply put. The wish to join AirUK with KLM was a wish from the company. The VNV has merely negotiated the circumstances. They aren`t bad, for no-one.
The guys who want to keep things as they are can do that and for others there`s a chance to go long-haul. Everybody benefits.
Cheers.
I`m happy to see a Brit think of us as one Europe, though
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Interesting......
What the VNV have failed to to realise is that the ex AirUK/KLMuk pilots have yet to agree to ANYTHING !!
How can the VNV negotiate with KLM and agree integration terms without the consultation or agreement of the people involved?
We are still a seperate company, the F100s and F50s are OUR aircraft, and i do not see why i should be junior on a seniority list with 7 years service to a junior F/o with 200 hrs and a months service!
I am sorry but this just smacks of typical Dutch arrogance, these negotiations are NOT concluded until BALPA agrees terms on behalf of its members.
What the VNV have failed to to realise is that the ex AirUK/KLMuk pilots have yet to agree to ANYTHING !!
How can the VNV negotiate with KLM and agree integration terms without the consultation or agreement of the people involved?
We are still a seperate company, the F100s and F50s are OUR aircraft, and i do not see why i should be junior on a seniority list with 7 years service to a junior F/o with 200 hrs and a months service!
I am sorry but this just smacks of typical Dutch arrogance, these negotiations are NOT concluded until BALPA agrees terms on behalf of its members.
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