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Sim recurrent training : In uniform or not ?

Old 10th Dec 2019, 12:19
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Sim recurrent training : In uniform or not ?

Hello all,

I’ve been with Air France for the last 20+ years.
We’ve always done our recurrent sim training as well as type ratings in “civilian” clothing.
Management has just advised us that, starting next year, we’ll have to be in uniform for all sim sessions.

i just wanted to get the lay of the land out there. If you could reply with the name of your Airline and wether being in Uniform is mandatory for sims, I would be very grateful.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 12:44
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Well.....
KLM does its simming in civilian clothing.
Surely hope that our mutual holding management does not force us to do the same. so just to be sure: which management exactly? AF managers or AFKL holding managers?
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 12:48
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Hello!

Myself I have always worked for bizjet operators. Some of the simulator training centers we use (in the UK and the United States) also have airline customers. On various occasions I have visited pure large jet simulator centers, including one of the German flag carrier. Never have I seen a pilot in uniform in any of these centers. With the sole exception of some military crews who were wearing flying overalls.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:03
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Never seen or heard of anyone wearing a uniform to the simulator in the US. I’m curious to know the logic behind that change.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:15
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I’m curious to know the logic behind that change.
The only explanation I can think of is to make it as realistic as possible.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:18
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Air China does that. Mine does not. Only rule is to wear a pant and a shirt or polo. Maybe some guys were stepping in the sim wearing shorts and flip flops lol.

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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:31
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At EK it's basic uniform (no hat or jacket) for all training events
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:42
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easyJet introduced uniform for all sim events from 1st Oct 19 - professional standards was quoted as the reason as we started using our 3 new sim centres. In reality, think management had got quite frustrated that the attire some were deeming acceptable. T-shirts, ripped jeans, dirty trainers...had everyone worn smart jeans or chinos and a collared shirt, I doubt this change would have manifested itself. Instructors also now all in uniform too. Would be nice not to be in uniform but there are bigger fights to be had at present I think was the general consensus.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:42
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Well... we all get paid to go to work, if they want us in a uniform.... then I'll put on one.... I guess I'm paid for it anyway.... and I guess they'll pay the uniform as well..
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:48
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British Airways mandated uniform for simulator training way back in the 90s if I recall correctly.

I am not sure of the rationale or whether it actually makes a scrap of difference!


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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:51
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British Airways mandated uniform for simulator training way back in the 90s if I recall correctly.
Do BA crew line up outside the sim and allow the Commander to enter first?
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:55
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Originally Posted by jmmoric View Post
Well... we all get paid to go to work, if they want us in a uniform.... then I'll put on one....
Maybe, but as we all are super clever girls and boys we like to be given an explanation for things we are supposed to do. They tell us that we need to wear the uniform they buy us (or that we have to buy ourselves in more companies that one may think...) because of the passengers. There is no other reason. Not even the CEOs and other executives of many airlines are required to observe any dresscode as long as they are in their offices. Some of them not even outside their office (I have not yet seen a picture of Richard Branson wearing a jacket and tie...). And as there are no passengers or other clients around the simulator the only reason for a uniform is no longer there.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 14:08
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Originally Posted by PAJ View Post
easyJet introduced uniform for all sim events from 1st Oct 19 - professional standards was quoted as the reason as we started using our 3 new sim centres. In reality, think management had got quite frustrated that the attire some were deeming acceptable. T-shirts, ripped jeans, dirty trainers...had everyone worn smart jeans or chinos and a collared shirt, I doubt this change would have manifested itself. Instructors also now all in uniform too. Would be nice not to be in uniform but there are bigger fights to be had at present I think was the general consensus.
That's likely the reason rather than "enhanced realism."
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 14:28
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SLF here. Are sim sessions routinely recorded on video? If so, then makes sense if some sessions are chosen to be used for further training purposes. Adds realism, as I think someone has already said.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 14:39
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Not mandatory in my old company, but most of us wore uniform. "on duty" and "adds realism" are two reasons perhaps, but I would also add that if I'm going to sit in a dirty seat (and let's be honest, they are), I'll do it in the company's clothes, thank you very much.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 14:40
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Originally Posted by pineteam View Post
Air China Airlines do that.
Sorry...!!???
1) Air China (China)
2) China Airlines "Dynasty" (Taiwan)
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 14:44
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I’m with Herod on this. Sims are pretty grubby places and I’d rather wear company kit than my own - at the end of the day it’s just trousers, shirt, jumper, shoes and no decision making to do.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 15:22
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BEA / BOAC/ SR..all in 70s

BEA ..FULL UNIFORM CAPTAIN IN FIRST - Trident
BA (boac) civies no bullxxt but that was B4 BEA management came over.
SR civies ..latter two we were allowed to do our own throttles which is another subject ;🤐
Maybe just a coincidence but the more money I was paid the less formal the job became.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 15:35
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Utter [email protected]@ocks.
I have never worn uniform for a sim.
Heck even when i have positioned an Aircraft we always wore civvys. One uses common sense. We are grown ups after all.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 16:09
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I spent a lot of time in simulators in my 31 years of civil aviation. The only airlines I ever saw in uniform were BA and Gulfair.
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