Sim recurrent training : In uniform or not ?
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Re: All of the above 61 posts ....
Operating in the sim, it could be argued, does create a more realistic and professional environment, however ...
Does it really matter ?
Nobody, apart from your sim partner, the examiner, and perhaps an observer from the regulator, sees you.
Operating in the sim, it could be argued, does create a more realistic and professional environment, however ...
Does it really matter ?
Nobody, apart from your sim partner, the examiner, and perhaps an observer from the regulator, sees you.
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If you are unable to perform in civvies then you have zero business in/around/near/within the greater vicinity of any aeroplane.
Some great responses here tho Some of you should consider tennis
Some great responses here tho Some of you should consider tennis
A lot has changed in the last few years in a Big Airline and their Cargo offshoot in UK. On a night sector with a relief crew, quite a few of us often changed into track suit or 'bunk wear, when established in the cruise, before and after bunk time.
Now apparently uniform must be worn in the flight deck at all times. Quite what that rule has to do with Management, when the flight deck is off limits, and with a crew loo???
Now apparently uniform must be worn in the flight deck at all times. Quite what that rule has to do with Management, when the flight deck is off limits, and with a crew loo???
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Well !
Thanks for all these answers.
Surely a very interesting input.
I wish more of you would have explicitly said which airlines you flew for, but I understand the choice of privacy.
@Fox niner ➝ "which management exactly?" : Head of training apparently
@dixi188 ➝ sorry to report that this is no longer the case...
Safe flights everyone.
S
Thanks for all these answers.
Surely a very interesting input.
I wish more of you would have explicitly said which airlines you flew for, but I understand the choice of privacy.
@Fox niner ➝ "which management exactly?" : Head of training apparently
@dixi188 ➝ sorry to report that this is no longer the case...
Safe flights everyone.
S
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Not flip flops!
In UK Regionals Manx/BRAL/Flymaybe uniform was the norm for sim. Though rightly or wrongly (not clearly defined in those days) I positioned a few empty flights in non uniform, and would advise my FO similarly. Who wants a long positioning journey afterwards (eg taxi or pax flight back to base) in uniform?
In the corporate world (Legacy) mainly non uniform in the sim. And for real flights (if we were empty) I would always dress casual. Shorts/Jean's, T shirt and sandals (not flip flops - could slip on the pedals) if the climate suited. Though always had a semblance of uniform available if plan changed (as it often did). Mid flight change into uniform and vice versa often the case, (flight attendant told not to look if she didn't want to see me in a state of undress!). EU, USA, Asia, Africa airports had no problems with crew in non uniform. UK probably frowned the most.
If only doing airline flights in uniform then maybe sim in uniform too. But if EVER flying for real in casual clothes, then should be able to fly (and sim) in whatever feels comfortable. And makes it quicker to get to the hotel bar on arrival 😀
In the corporate world (Legacy) mainly non uniform in the sim. And for real flights (if we were empty) I would always dress casual. Shorts/Jean's, T shirt and sandals (not flip flops - could slip on the pedals) if the climate suited. Though always had a semblance of uniform available if plan changed (as it often did). Mid flight change into uniform and vice versa often the case, (flight attendant told not to look if she didn't want to see me in a state of undress!). EU, USA, Asia, Africa airports had no problems with crew in non uniform. UK probably frowned the most.
If only doing airline flights in uniform then maybe sim in uniform too. But if EVER flying for real in casual clothes, then should be able to fly (and sim) in whatever feels comfortable. And makes it quicker to get to the hotel bar on arrival 😀
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No uniform at ryr, just smart casual.
I think it helps promote a more open, relaxed culture. One in which your more likely to get candidates to be relaxed and perform better.
Besides, ryr you have to buy your own uniform and the sims are unpaid with the staff having to pay for their own hotac at the sim centers, so no uniform is the least they can do....!!
I think it helps promote a more open, relaxed culture. One in which your more likely to get candidates to be relaxed and perform better.
Besides, ryr you have to buy your own uniform and the sims are unpaid with the staff having to pay for their own hotac at the sim centers, so no uniform is the least they can do....!!
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Air NZ jet and regional wear uniform. Was explained as a mental mindset reason behind it all, put on the uniform, you go into work mode etc.
There was an emergency when a engine shat itself on takeoff at Wellington a few years ago and the PM reverted to using the call sign we’d always used in the SIM, the only time we really do EF. Although the pilot and company were stoked to see the training worked in practice it was decided to use random flight numbers in the sim from then on because of the way the memory recall actually created a bit of confusion with the use of one simulator call sign.
There was an emergency when a engine shat itself on takeoff at Wellington a few years ago and the PM reverted to using the call sign we’d always used in the SIM, the only time we really do EF. Although the pilot and company were stoked to see the training worked in practice it was decided to use random flight numbers in the sim from then on because of the way the memory recall actually created a bit of confusion with the use of one simulator call sign.
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Up until mid-90's, the Air NZ rule was civvies, sim instructors didn't have uniforms.
At that time, the HF people (Ex-CRM) stumbled across "enclothed cognition" (Adam and Galinsky)
"Enclothed cognition" seemed to have its genesis in an third-rate social science journal (the journal didn't have a particularly big score for citing): its central theme, IIRC, was that crew-members perform better when they are dressed according to role.
I thought it BS then and while still not convinced, allow that my STEM preferences and education may be clouding my view.
Sim instructors got uniforms at about the same time.
At that time, the HF people (Ex-CRM) stumbled across "enclothed cognition" (Adam and Galinsky)
"Enclothed cognition" seemed to have its genesis in an third-rate social science journal (the journal didn't have a particularly big score for citing): its central theme, IIRC, was that crew-members perform better when they are dressed according to role.
I thought it BS then and while still not convinced, allow that my STEM preferences and education may be clouding my view.
Sim instructors got uniforms at about the same time.
I’ve done both and it honestly doesn’t bother me either way. My employer wants me in uniform for the sim. Fine they’re paying my wage. My employer doesn’t mandate I wear uniform in sim. Also fine. They still pay my wage. I don’t think the wearing of uniform or not enhanced or detracts from my sim performance.
only time I get annoyed these days is if I wear a shirt that doesn’t have a pocket on the breast. What the hell did I do with my damn pen again!!
only time I get annoyed these days is if I wear a shirt that doesn’t have a pocket on the breast. What the hell did I do with my damn pen again!!
Being ex RAF where we always wore uniform,( long time ago) then into civil aviation, never could understand why civvies were worn in the sim.
Modern sims are just so superbly realistic, why not complete the job with crew wearing what they would be wearing in flight?
Modern sims are just so superbly realistic, why not complete the job with crew wearing what they would be wearing in flight?
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I run large yachts for a UHNWI. We obviously wear uniform when him and his guest are onboard and when working on the yacht when he is not onboard. We always wear uniform when we are at sea or manoeuvring the yacht when "on duty". Whatever the time of day. If we are off duty we can hang out and go on deck in shorts and t shirts as that that is our "down time" and we can dress how we like. We wouldn't dream of wearing "civvies' whilst on duty. It shows respect for the job and the owner, that we wear uniform when performing our duties or are in a working environment. Saying that, when we are training, on courses or in the Sim, we don't have to wear it. But some do and some don't. All depends on your personal preference. I do because it puts me "in the mood" and sets me up to being in a "professional" mood. I am wearing the costume and so play the part. Will you act differently if you are dressed in T shirt and jeans vs full uniform..? Maybe..!
Turn the argument around. Why would pilots prefer casual dress in the sim? More relaxed? More comfortable? That is already a tacit admission that one's attitude is subtly modified and thereby the realism is reduced.
Whether that matters regarding what the sim is intended to achieve is an open question, but it is generally a mistake to assume oneself immune from such influences.
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Realistic means I need a cup of coffee before we pushback a quick trip to the lav after 2 hours and a nap in a sleeper for 2 hours. I don’t think it matters a whit as to what clothes you wear, it’s the attitude between your ears that counts.
When I graduated from Hamble in 1971, the guest of honour who presented our certificates was the great Dai Davies and he said in his after dinner speech that simulators should be taken seriously. In fact he proposed that all sims should be conducted in uniform, refreshment should be served by a uniformed steward and that any crashes should be followed up with an ASR!