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Registration of UK drone operators expanded in scope.

Old 24th Oct 2019, 14:16
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Registration of UK drone operators expanded in scope.

(A moderator will probably move this topic but I post it here because quite a number of us fly model aircraft of various types for leisure purposes).

I've just received notification from the CAA that operators of ALL drones and model aircraft weighing more than 250g will be required by law to take an online test to qualify and to register annually (at their own expense).
This is from 30 November 2019, only five weeks from now.
Although the annual registration cost is a relatively low 9 I think this will result in many inadvertently breaking the law because no doubt thousands of model fliers have no contact with the CAA or even a model club.
My own model aircraft will remain in the loft!
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Go back to flying control models, they are not affected.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 15:10
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Originally Posted by pontifex View Post
Go back to flying control models, they are not affected.
Not sure what you mean by "flying control" but only "control line" models, which are in effect tethered, remain exempt.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 19:32
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
This is from 30 November 2019, only five weeks from now.
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Just in time for Christmas!
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
(A moderator will probably move this topic but I post it here because quite a number of us fly model aircraft of various types for leisure purposes).

I've just received notification from the CAA that operators of ALL drones and model aircraft weighing more than 250g will be required by law to take an online test to qualify and to register annually (at their own expense).
This is from 30 November 2019, only five weeks from now.
Although the annual registration cost is a relatively low 9 I think this will result in many inadvertently breaking the law because no doubt thousands of model fliers have no contact with the CAA or even a model club.
My own model aircraft will remain in the loft!
Well, that made me wonder, so I went off to look up the specs of my drone. Turns out to be 96g with battery.

I am not going to lose any sleep now I know this.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
(A moderator will probably move this topic but I post it here because quite a number of us fly model aircraft of various types for leisure purposes).

I've just received notification from the CAA that operators of ALL drones and model aircraft weighing more than 250g will be required by law to take an online test to qualify and to register annually (at their own expense).
This is from 30 November 2019, only five weeks from now.
Although the annual registration cost is a relatively low 9 I think this will result in many inadvertently breaking the law because no doubt thousands of model fliers have no contact with the CAA or even a model club.
My own model aircraft will remain in the loft!
If you have taken any BMFA proficiency test you don't need to do the CAA test...

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Old 25th Oct 2019, 14:22
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
If you have taken any BMFA proficiency test you don't need to do the CAA test...
Correct - all explained on the CAA website, link here: https://www.caa.co.uk/Consumers/Unma...eid=b65c38c183

Interestingly, there appears to be no way of taking the online test at the moment - it's apparently not yet online!
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 20:50
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
Correct - all explained on the CAA website, link here: https://www.caa.co.uk/Consumers/Unmanned-aircraft/Our-role/Drone-and-model-aircraft-registration/?mc_cid=ef3fce4f1f&mc_eid=b65c38c183

Interestingly, there appears to be no way of taking the online test at the moment - it's apparently not yet online!
The CAA were mandated to issue registrations to applicants from 1st October by the Air Navigation Order:

=left"Citation and commencement. 1. These Regulations may be cited as the Air Navigation (Minimum Age for Operators of Small Unmanned Aircraft) Regulations 2019 and come into force on 1st October 2019.... Article 94C of the 2016 Order sets out the circumstances in which the Civil Aviation Authority (“the CAA”) must issue a certificate of registration as an SUA operator to a person, or renew that person’s certificate of registration"
They failed to do this, so I wrote to the CAA on numerous occasions asking when they were intending to comply with the ANO. They completely ignored my enquiries.

I then wrote to Richard Moriarty, CEO of the CAA, informing him that I was asking my MP to make enquiries of the Secretary of State for Transport as to when the CAA would be complying with the ANO, and the response from the CEO's office of the CAA was spectacularly quick. They apologised for breaking the 1st October deadline, and have since told me the application process will be live from 5th November, giving less than 4 working weeks time to pass tests and to apply, compared to the almost 9 weeks we were assured would be available from the mandated 1st October opening date.

It appears to be spectacular incompetence by the CAA, who now appear almost incapable of providing the required means to take money from people who just want to fly toys with their kids etc.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 17:47
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Originally Posted by pilotmike View Post
It appears to be spectacular incompetence by the CAA, who now appear almost incapable of providing the required means to take money from people who just want to fly toys with their kids etc.
One of the reasons (probably the only reason) that the system did not go live on the 1st October is that the Secretary of State, Grant Shapps MP, intervened early in September and told the CAA to reduce the registration fee from 16.50/year to below 10/year and to work with the four associations. Prior to this, the DfT had been dismissing all objections from the aeromodelling community, both direct and via MPs.

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We have the same problem with the FAA in the US, if you want to fly model aircraft. As part of the FAA, Reauthorization Act of 2018, Model Aircraft flying is now restricted to 400' AGL or below. With no wavers being issued at this time. Also, any recreational flyers, have to register at the FAA, and pay a fee to obtain an "Aircraft Registration" number that has to be attached to all the pilots Model Aircraft. So many facets of Model Flying, for example Thermal Duration Sailplanes , F3B/F3F, etc, are effectively grounded, with this 400 foot "ceiling". . US pilots will be unable to train for International FAI contests too.

The organization that represents most Model Aircraft flyers here in the US, the Academy of Model Aeronautics , or AMA had been told, that AMA club fields, and flight in Class G airspace would not be restricted. Well that didn't happen. Not only that, but there is also a requirement for hobby flyers, to pass an Aeronautical Knowledge Test, just like the UK.
excerpt from Section 349, of this Reauthorization Bill, Aeronautical Knowledge and Safety Test.--
``(1) In general.--Not later than 180 days after the date of
enactment of this section, the Administrator, in consultation
with manufacturers of unmanned aircraft systems, other industry
stakeholders, and community-based organizations, shall develop
an aeronautical knowledge and safety test, which can then be
administered electronically by the Administrator, a community-
based organization, or a person designated by the Administrator.
No sign of this "Aeronautical Knowledge and Safety Test yet....

Here is full text of the FAA Reauthorization Act.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/302/text?overview=closed&r=3

At least BFMA members will still be allowed to fly Model Aircraft above 400 feet,
Members will continue to benefit from the existing permissions/exemptions already granted to the CAA recognised UK Associations (such as the permission to operate above 400ft with aircraft of less than 7Kg
https://bmfa.org/News/News-Page/Arti...on-for-members

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Old 30th Oct 2019, 12:25
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What sort of drone weighs more than 250KG?
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 13:46
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
What sort of drone weighs more than 250KG?
No idea, but a lot weigh more than 250 GRAMS, as per the new regulations.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 14:08
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So the minimum age is 18. Dear gods, I was flying a REAL Jet Provost before I was 18 having soloed a glider at aged 14.

My 10 year old grandson will continue flying his electric powered model LONG before his 18th birthday, assisted, no doubt, by his 7 year old brother ! Do I expect a visit from the CAA enforcement branch, or the local plods ? They will get a very frosty reception !

"........and yet I hear some politicians want to give 16 year olds the vote, but aha, you cant yet fly a model aircraft until the age of 18 , BUT you can hold a ppl and solo a powered aeroplane at the age of 17 or a glider at 14.

The logic of the loony bin. utterly beyond belief.

I do wonder which muppet(s) dreamed up this nonsense.






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Old 30th Oct 2019, 16:48
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So the minimum age is 18.

The minimum age for the operator (the person who has management of the UA) is 18.
There is no minimum age for the remote pilot at the moment although there will be when the EU regulations kick in next July (12 solo, none if supervised by somebody over 16).


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Yes agreed, but still utter nonsense. As I read it youngsters below the age of 18 can’t go out flying on their own as they are then the “manager of the machine.
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From 'The register' ...

Solution to 250g drone weight limit is 249g drone

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/1...onal_info_caa/
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So basically the British lawmakers' train of thought is as follows:

Drones were flown at Gatwick by some hooligans who knew they were doing something illegal but still opted to do so. And therefore the best way to combat them is to make all OTHER operators of drones who were flying them responsibly and outside of airports to obtain a drone pilot's license and a registration for their drones.

For the first time in my life since I was 11 months old, I'm speechless.
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So basically the British lawmakers' train of thought is as follows:

Drones were flown at Gatwick by some hooligans who knew they were doing something illegal but still opted to do so. And therefore the best way to combat them is to make all OTHER operators of drones who were flying them responsibly and outside of airports to obtain a drone pilot's license and a registration for their drones.

For the first time in my life since I was 11 months old, I'm speechless.
It's the same principle with gun laws despite good representation.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 09:00
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Unlike UK car tax (Vehicle Excise Duty) or MoT test, where the full 1 year period is given when bought, the CCA, in their wisdom, have seen fit and appropriate to penalise enthusiastic early applicants by making the renewal date 1 year from application rather than the more honest and sensible principle of giving a whole year from when the registration is required, ie 30th November. Not big sums, but an important point of principle; don't bite the hand that feeds you!

What a thoroughly stupid way to alienate the honest, decent, law-abiding UAS / UAV operators, in an ill-considered scheme which will only be complied with by the honest, law-abiding operators. It does nothing to catch those who are going to wilfully flout the law and operate illegally and dangerously.
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