Eastern Airways New Aircraft
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Eastern Airways New Aircraft
Eastern Airways has begun flights between Norwich and Aberdeen with the ERJ135 and will introduce the Jetstream J41 on its NWI-EDI flights from the Winter timetable.
Good luck to Eastern Airways!
Good luck to Eastern Airways!
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The flight between Norwich-Aberdeen is a wetlease hired from the new Swedish airline Cityairline for 6 month ( I think). they are based in Gothenburg sweden. They also operate another Emb-135 between Gothenburg-Manchester. 
One of BRAL's J41's, G-MAJL has was painted white some months ago in anticipation of Eastern purchasing it. Some BRAL crews are now rostered to operate the norwich-ediburgh service until the eastern guys are fully trained up.
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This has all come about following the sad demise of Gill who competed with EZE on the ABZ-NWI route. Eastern leased a Skyways FK50 for a couple of weeks but this has now been replaced by the 135 - which could be for a long period I heard today.
I'm guessing EZE don't fancy going head-to-head with Brymon on the ABZ-NCL to complete the English East Coast set of routes from Aberdeen!
I'm guessing EZE don't fancy going head-to-head with Brymon on the ABZ-NCL to complete the English East Coast set of routes from Aberdeen!
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Good news indeed! 
NWI - ABZ in 55 mins at F370 - who would have ever thought it
We understand that the J41 will be on this route as well, operating a fourth service in between the NWI/EDI/NWI runs.
EZE have told Norwich airport management that they may well cut back on the frequency of the EDI and MAN services, (presently 3 times daily return), due to the introduction of bigger a/c (EDI and ABZ), and MAN due to the economic climate.
Anyway, let's hope it continues to be succesful for all.
NWI - ABZ in 55 mins at F370 - who would have ever thought it
We understand that the J41 will be on this route as well, operating a fourth service in between the NWI/EDI/NWI runs.
EZE have told Norwich airport management that they may well cut back on the frequency of the EDI and MAN services, (presently 3 times daily return), due to the introduction of bigger a/c (EDI and ABZ), and MAN due to the economic climate.
Anyway, let's hope it continues to be succesful for all.
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Sponbill, regards the Embraer..glad you see this as good news. It seems feedback for EZE has been fantastic....in general people who have used this route and seen nothing other than turboprops for years are generally VERY impressed with the new little JungleJet.
EZE's winter timetable is complete and is actually pubished already...see the website. As you say frequency has been cut on some routes...NWIABZ which is currently 6 daily on 32s/135s goes down to just 4 daily, all however are now 135 ops. GMAJL (J41) is planned to be flying for the start of the new schedule (28th), NWIEDI going down to 3 daily from 4....again, however...all J41 flights instead of the 32 so seats available actually increases...this should help with the monday morning/friday evening problems where the 32 is ALWAYS chocka! The 41 is also slightly quicker. NWIMAN is the only real casualty...down to 3 daily (from 4), and staying on the 32....the chopped flights are mid-morning NWI v.
The word is 2 32's are to be on permanent 'airport standy' at HUY/NWI as rescue aircraft to pick up the schedule if the 135 or 41 fall down in NWI/MAN/EDI. Meanwhile looks like the 12th 31/32 is confirmed and will be delivered soon (from where?).
In reply to MASOR Monkey.....from what I gather Lndon mil weren't too happy with the 135 routeing NWI-ABZ direct at the much higher alt (350 I think)... as the J32's do. Hence the change to airways via SILVA. Anyone have any more news?web site
EZE's winter timetable is complete and is actually pubished already...see the website. As you say frequency has been cut on some routes...NWIABZ which is currently 6 daily on 32s/135s goes down to just 4 daily, all however are now 135 ops. GMAJL (J41) is planned to be flying for the start of the new schedule (28th), NWIEDI going down to 3 daily from 4....again, however...all J41 flights instead of the 32 so seats available actually increases...this should help with the monday morning/friday evening problems where the 32 is ALWAYS chocka! The 41 is also slightly quicker. NWIMAN is the only real casualty...down to 3 daily (from 4), and staying on the 32....the chopped flights are mid-morning NWI v.
The word is 2 32's are to be on permanent 'airport standy' at HUY/NWI as rescue aircraft to pick up the schedule if the 135 or 41 fall down in NWI/MAN/EDI. Meanwhile looks like the 12th 31/32 is confirmed and will be delivered soon (from where?).
In reply to MASOR Monkey.....from what I gather Lndon mil weren't too happy with the 135 routeing NWI-ABZ direct at the much higher alt (350 I think)... as the J32's do. Hence the change to airways via SILVA. Anyone have any more news?web site
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Thanks for the info, Tightturnaround.
It seems that the OAT route has now been sanctioned, so 'Direct Aberdeen' is on again. After saying that, this afternoons flight insisted on joining at SILVA, despite being offered 'dct ADN' twice. Not sure if there may be an advantage in the SILVA join, with regards to getting to cruise alt quicker. Depends on the traffic sitch at the time, and who is in the seat at Lon Mil I think, but the direct route is available.
It seems that the OAT route has now been sanctioned, so 'Direct Aberdeen' is on again. After saying that, this afternoons flight insisted on joining at SILVA, despite being offered 'dct ADN' twice. Not sure if there may be an advantage in the SILVA join, with regards to getting to cruise alt quicker. Depends on the traffic sitch at the time, and who is in the seat at Lon Mil I think, but the direct route is available.
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Direct route may be OK to begin with, but who are you expecting to take the aircraft when it leaves your patch ?? It ain't going to be ScACC Civil, particularly if the sector is busy with GAT, or if there is a lot of military activity between NWI and ABZ!! Similarly, we don't want to become embroiled in passing estimates and handovers and the like for Southbound flights. Not that we don't like talking to you guys, simply that we have more pressing things to be going on with usually.
That's why GAT has to file on UARs as per the UK AIP. Now if it goes straight between yourselves and ScATCC Mil, then fair enough. Is that the plan ??
Direct route may be OK to begin with, but who are you expecting to take the aircraft when it leaves your patch ?? It ain't going to be ScACC Civil, particularly if the sector is busy with GAT, or if there is a lot of military activity between NWI and ABZ!! Similarly, we don't want to become embroiled in passing estimates and handovers and the like for Southbound flights. Not that we don't like talking to you guys, simply that we have more pressing things to be going on with usually.
That's why GAT has to file on UARs as per the UK AIP. Now if it goes straight between yourselves and ScATCC Mil, then fair enough. Is that the plan ??
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As of tomorrow the ERJ 135/145 will be treated as "negative RVSM" so it's likely to be goodbye FL370, hello 270/280.
Also, this afternoon the pilot refused direct ADN, and quite wisely so as there was loads of OAT north of NEW.
Having been involved as a ScACC sector controller for the last 5 days,the best way is join at SILVA-UL602-NEW-UR38-FINDO-UP600/P600-ADN and vice-versa southbound to leave at SILVA, and the pilots seem happy with this.
A final note of sarcasm to the LATCC controller who could not find his strip on the southbound at FL290 this mid-afternoon, have a look in the "it's leaving at SILVA I'll forget about it pile", you are the first one in 4 days who wasn't expecting to work it !!
Also, this afternoon the pilot refused direct ADN, and quite wisely so as there was loads of OAT north of NEW.
Having been involved as a ScACC sector controller for the last 5 days,the best way is join at SILVA-UL602-NEW-UR38-FINDO-UP600/P600-ADN and vice-versa southbound to leave at SILVA, and the pilots seem happy with this.
A final note of sarcasm to the LATCC controller who could not find his strip on the southbound at FL290 this mid-afternoon, have a look in the "it's leaving at SILVA I'll forget about it pile", you are the first one in 4 days who wasn't expecting to work it !!
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Data Daddy,
Border Radar is still with us, except that it is now called "Pennine Radar". Unfortunately Pennines' airspace tops out at FL245 [xcpt on UL602/ FL250] so we can't work the E135s, but we DO work all the J32s
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
Border Radar is still with us, except that it is now called "Pennine Radar". Unfortunately Pennines' airspace tops out at FL245 [xcpt on UL602/ FL250] so we can't work the E135s, but we DO work all the J32s
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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10Wthanks for the comments, always good to hear the problems that 'the other end' have, and I accept their validity totaly. Unfortunately, someone is going to have to talk to us at some stage, whether it be yourselves or North Sea. (Unless, of course, North Sea are willing to hand them direct to Norwich ). Equally, a joining clearance needs to obtained on the way up. Whether it be from North Sea at SILVA, or Montrose at FAMBO/NEW will remain to be seen, however I reckon any are equally possible in the next few days, till things settle down. Just for info, North Sea (understandably) wouldn't give me a clearance at SILVA this evening, because he had 3 strips on the same flight 
. Came as a surprise to me, because the flightplan I was looking at was OAT EGSH dct EGPD. Ergo, call Montrose ATSA for join/crossing/whatever I could get at FAMBO. 
Keep PPRuNe'ing all and hi to Chiglet. Must get me a visit up there one day, what do you reckon?
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). Equally, a joining clearance needs to obtained on the way up. Whether it be from North Sea at SILVA, or Montrose at FAMBO/NEW will remain to be seen, however I reckon any are equally possible in the next few days, till things settle down. Just for info, North Sea (understandably) wouldn't give me a clearance at SILVA this evening, because he had 3 strips on the same flight . Came as a surprise to me, because the flightplan I was looking at was OAT EGSH dct EGPD. Ergo, call Montrose ATSA for join/crossing/whatever I could get at FAMBO. Keep PPRuNe'ing all and hi to Chiglet. Must get me a visit up there one day, what do you reckon?
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Hi DD,
Maybe we've just found a use for the couple of spare radar positions down the room!
Now all we need is a radar feed from somwhere in the borders and to lift the 40nm limit on the APR ticket and we're in business.
Maybe we've just found a use for the couple of spare radar positions down the room!
Now all we need is a radar feed from somwhere in the borders and to lift the 40nm limit on the APR ticket and we're in business.
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No 1....spiffing idea! Get the users to pay us directly for the service rather than watch it go in the national pot... a feed from NT? After all they owe us - we've provided them with enough ATCO's after all