Hard times for Norwegian
Alba Gu Brath
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Merseyside
Age: 55
Posts: 738
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1 - Those who can build a large business.
2 - Those who can run a large business.
very rare to find people who could do both, and also very rare to find people who will admit they can’t do the latter after being successful at the former.
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Dublin
Posts: 652
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
https://www.newsinenglish.no/2020/05...d-for-takeoff/ Interestingly still selling LH tickets? If the credit card companies get nervous that could be curtains for the cashflow.
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Ilmington, Warwickshire
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Meanwhile, looks like the crew are about to be well and truly shafted. They’ve already been contacted about arrangements for return of ID, uniform etc. So much for ‘positive’ news.
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Which shows to many, the job they love is gone, by submitting a CV, they may get a call back when things pick up in their base or on Long Haul.
I wish everyone in Norwegian all the best for the future, and I do hope it returns on all fronts, once again.
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Ilmington, Warwickshire
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thank you. That’s exactly what’s happened. It was so good to hear the news this morning, which offered a chink of light after expecting and preparing for the worst for weeks, only to be totally kicked in the teeth this evening.
Unless, this is one of those ruthless rationalisation exercises that seems to be the current trend? An opportunity to get rid of those that need to be off loaded for whatever reason and reemploy a chosen few. I’ve seen this happen in various business sectors.
Unless, this is one of those ruthless rationalisation exercises that seems to be the current trend? An opportunity to get rid of those that need to be off loaded for whatever reason and reemploy a chosen few. I’ve seen this happen in various business sectors.
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Copenhagen
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Crews and staff, going from being over joyed the company is going to survive, then squarely hit in the face, that they have to hand uniform and ID back.
Which shows to many, the job they love is gone, by submitting a CV, they may get a call back when things pick up in their base or on Long Haul.
I wish everyone in Norwegian all the best for the future, and I do hope it returns on all fronts, once again.
Which shows to many, the job they love is gone, by submitting a CV, they may get a call back when things pick up in their base or on Long Haul.
I wish everyone in Norwegian all the best for the future, and I do hope it returns on all fronts, once again.
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Copenhagen
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Uk
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thank you. That’s exactly what’s happened. It was so good to hear the news this morning, which offered a chink of light after expecting and preparing for the worst for weeks, only to be totally kicked in the teeth this evening.
Unless, this is one of those ruthless rationalisation exercises that seems to be the current trend? An opportunity to get rid of those that need to be off loaded for whatever reason and reemploy a chosen few. I’ve seen this happen in various business sectors.
Unless, this is one of those ruthless rationalisation exercises that seems to be the current trend? An opportunity to get rid of those that need to be off loaded for whatever reason and reemploy a chosen few. I’ve seen this happen in various business sectors.
I don’t understand why anybody would be overjoyed unless they were Oslo based . The restructure plan didn’t include much else, even if it survived we knew there was a year plus wait for any crumbs
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Ilmington, Warwickshire
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Totally agree. It just seems disingenuous to send happy, clappy, ‘We’re all in this together Red Nose Warriors’ messages four days ago and then, when the ink is barely dry on the deal, start to immediately cut ties.
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: gatwick
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
About 1200 jobs at Gatwick will go with NAS, the word from OSM is that NLH will do direct hires as/when needed, seasonal contracts and no idea when things will start up, but unlikely before end 2021. Not sure about recovering any type rating/ training costs under the previous 2 or 3 year agreements. Red Nose warriors.. hmmm
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Dublin
Posts: 652
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
How Norwegian will operate once operations begin again is now what the industry will look at and the airline recruiting directly, rather than using a supplier, could be a route they will consider in the future.
1571 Pilots and 3134 Cabin Crew without jobs! hardly a cause for their Mexican Wave, but there again, the NAS model has always been about spin, and to be fair, they are good at it, after all, who else could burn 1 Billion of other peoples money and get away with it and be declared heroes for "saving the company" . On the other hand, for 6/7 years many enjoyed working with the company and that is demonstrated by the loyalty to the "brand" even in these hard times. I guess if one was philosophical you might argue that but for COVID19 they may just have pulled it off.. Perhaps more concerning is the thought that temporary wage reductions in the industry "survivors " will become permanent as management use the pilot surplus as a bargaining chip, disregarding the cost of training replacements if one throws in the towel or the effect on moral. Although moral is usually high amongst survivors in wars !
With Virgin Pulling out of Gatwick, BA not planning to restart there and Easyjet reductions it could mean the slots are near worthless and it will be investing to see what the "independent" valuations by 2 experts are as required for the NAS07 bond criteria on 18th May.
Last edited by Kirks gusset; 5th May 2020 at 15:05. Reason: News update on Virgin
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Botswana
Posts: 887
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Dublin
Posts: 652
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Maybe they will continue, but management "rumour" is often a way to let the staff get used to the idea in principle:
In a letter to BA staff at the complex south of London, seen by the FT, Adam Carson, managing director of BA Gatwick, wrote: “As you know, we suspended our Gatwick flying schedule at the start of April and there is no certainty as to when or if these services can or will return.”
In a process called “Preparing for a Different Future”. British Airways wants rid of 12,000 of its 42,000 staff. The figures set out by the airline in letters to trade unions reveal that BA envisages 22 per cent fewer flights when aviation finally gets back in the skies.
"Many services to and from its main base, Heathrow airport, will be culled. This, though, creates a problem. BA’s most valuable asset is its slot portfolio at Heathrow. In normal times, a strict “use them or lose them” rule applies for the precious permissions to take off and land at Europe’s busiest hub. Moving most or all flights from Gatwick around to Heathrow provides a solution."
I for one would like BA to continue at LGW, it's been a cornerstone for years, and the airport are still pressing ahead with the planning to convert the emergency runway for full time ops..
In a letter to BA staff at the complex south of London, seen by the FT, Adam Carson, managing director of BA Gatwick, wrote: “As you know, we suspended our Gatwick flying schedule at the start of April and there is no certainty as to when or if these services can or will return.”
"Many services to and from its main base, Heathrow airport, will be culled. This, though, creates a problem. BA’s most valuable asset is its slot portfolio at Heathrow. In normal times, a strict “use them or lose them” rule applies for the precious permissions to take off and land at Europe’s busiest hub. Moving most or all flights from Gatwick around to Heathrow provides a solution."
I for one would like BA to continue at LGW, it's been a cornerstone for years, and the airport are still pressing ahead with the planning to convert the emergency runway for full time ops..
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Botswana
Posts: 887
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Or a way of coercing/scaring staff into signing a detrimental new contract. “Sign this zero hours contract or we’ll close your base”. Trust me, BA Flight Ops still have Gatwick as part of the plan at the current time, having said that obviously it is subject to change depending on circumstances.
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Ilmington, Warwickshire
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Norwegian might be in danger of missing a big trick here. Virgin pulling out of Gatwick, NAS still holding slots there. Several European countries (that Norwegian already fly to) are looking to open up tourism again. Wizzair already increasing flights from Luton in anticipation.
Don’t be caught sleeping Norwegian - it might be the break you need!
Don’t be caught sleeping Norwegian - it might be the break you need!
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Ilmington, Warwickshire
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Exactly. Meanwhile NAS are still
paying the leases and maintainance on idle aircraft which could be utilised - not forgetting the 737s as well. The business opportunity is going to go walking out the door when flying starts picking up in the next three months.
paying the leases and maintainance on idle aircraft which could be utilised - not forgetting the 737s as well. The business opportunity is going to go walking out the door when flying starts picking up in the next three months.