Scrapping of A380

[ZFT]

Originally Posted by TSR2

amf1966

Daughter travelled LHR- New York recently. Out on a Dreamliner B789 to Newark, back on a B747-400 from JFK. Now she has no interest whatsoever in aircraft, so when I asked her which aircraft she preferred, I was surprised she said without hesitation the B747-400.

Not that surprising. I still prefer B74x upper deck to anything else and luckily still manage to find the odd flight with a 400

[Commander Taco]

Faury's press conference on the 21 May 2019:

https://simpleflying.com/airbus-a380-success/

That’s called “turd polishing”.

[White Knight]

Originally Posted by Willflyforcheese

Those tankers need to maneuver in mountainous terrain - it would be something to see an A380 trying to get low enough for an effective pass . . .

Trust me, the 380 is a very agile aeroplane for it’s size! It would not be a problem!

[Smythe]

Trust me, the 380 is a very agile aeroplane for it’s size! It would not be a problem!

Wholeheartedly agree! Like driving a top fueler vs a Ford Pinto....

Back to the 747-8F...the order saving it was UPS...given the situation, will be interesting to see if it comes to fruition.

[Chiefttp]

I wouldn’t be surprised if UPS orders more -8’s in the future.

[ironbutt57]

Originally Posted by Smythe

Wholeheartedly agree! Like driving a top fueler vs a Ford Pinto....

Back to the 747-8F...the order saving it was UPS...given the situation, will be interesting to see if it comes to fruition.

what situation?

[4runner]

Originally Posted by FlightlessParrot

Or, perhaps, the hajj.

i can foresee zero problems with this endeavor. I’m onboard as an investor and crew member. Can we register it under a “flag of convenience” too? Sierra Leon or Naija registration is perfect. Oga Habibi Express.

[tdracer]

Originally Posted by ironbutt57

what situation?

I was wondering the same thing myself. Drove by the Everett flight line today and there is currently a 747-8F in UPS colors there being prepared for delivery.

[gearlever]

AF A380 early retirement?

[Smythe]

I was wondering the same thing myself. Drove by the Everett flight line today and there is currently a 747-8F in UPS colors there being prepared for delivery.

1 every 2 months? One would think that the profit point is not worth the real estate that the aircraft takes to build.

Orders are coming in for the 777F...why keep the 748F going other than pride?

Some of the boutique airlines are looking to buy up the A388 the airlines are returning...

[tdracer]

Originally Posted by Smythe

1 every 2 months? One would think that the profit point is not worth the real estate that the aircraft takes to build.

Orders are coming in for the 777F...why keep the 748F going other than pride?

The 747-8F at 1 ever 2 months is pretty much break even - they're not making much money, but they're not losing money on every aircraft built (unlike the last couple years of A380s). Boeing still sees a future market for the 747-8F - there are hundreds of 747Fs that are very high time and will soon need to be retired. 777F is not a replacement - it lacks the nose loading, and can't carry much more than 100 tons, while the 747-8F can carry ~150 tons. IF they can get production up to just one per month, the 747-8F will be a money maker.

[Facts R Us]

Originally Posted by gearlever

AF A380 early retirement?

First 2 due out of service Nov & Dec 19.

[billybone]

about launch aid

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

Ah, right - a bit like my local supermarket selling baked beans at a loss, in order to get customers through the door.

From the article you linked to:

What few realize is that the decades long battle between airbus and boeing is centered aound how ' launch aid' is determined, and the financial games played.
The Cliffs notes version re Airbus is and has been since 1992 ( GATT ) that governments could provide launch aid at 'discount' interest rates and based on selling/delivering xxyy airplanes by zz years.
And if the 'targets' were not met via 'payback of loan ' in zz years, then the remainder of the ' loan' would be forgiven. Additionaly, the loan was to be for ' startup- research - development costs '

Over the years GATT became WTO , etc. And a lot of definitons of terms were/are vague eg how the beans are counted and what baskt they must be in.

Thus the legal bean counters have had a near lifetime job of defending their side, and a simple explanation of ' success"' is unlikely to ever be forthcoming.

[Less Hair]

Both have their share of government support. That usual blame game is pure boring.

[screwdriver]

Originally Posted by Buter

It's "Wan**r Tanker," actually.

Yeah, we're a bit special...

B

Or, possibly in your case, the "Yankee wankee Yankee" 🤓