return of pay2fly programs?

[aronsha]

hi folks.
many friends reported that bs p2f is on the rise again. please post here the names of current p2f providers. would be good to stop the next wave. and what about the EU plans to ban it?
regards, aron

[gearlever]

The "EU"?
Are you kidding?

[aronsha]

Originally Posted by gearlever

The "EU"?
Are you kidding?

I'm dead serious

[aronsha]

list of former p2f providers?

a collection of some p2f co's... enjoy

https://www.cockpitseeker.com/wp-con...s/goodies/p2f/

[gearlever]

Look what the "EU" has done to the FR dilemma.

NOTHING!!!

Some countries, e.g. NL, became active, but not the "EU".

EU is a toothless tiger IMHO.

[flash8]

Originally Posted by aronsha

a collection of some p2f co's... enjoy

https://www.cockpitseeker.com/wp-con...s/goodies/p2f/

Aronsha, that is a deeply troubling long list!

When I started out in '98 there was only the ubiquitous EagleJet... now... it has grown out of control, and to think we should have learnt from Kos.

[Aso]

Originally Posted by RTO

Seriously? You do know that the EU is an enabler of atrocious airline practices? FTL's that blatantly disregards science and turning a blind eye to Pay2fly? Another good reason to get on with Brexit.

Ehh all the EU rules are made with help of: the local CAA's, representatives of Unions and employers... So in other words: the people that are representing you either politically or as an employee.. So ALL the FTL's are written in full transparency... But I guess that they don't tell you that in the Daily Star?

[GanjiGirl]

pure horror, stop p2f

just had a look on that list and fraudster MSD aviation is a part of it. my cousin lost his money with that company. is MSD still active?

[GanjiGirl]

some contracts accessible

My goodness. some of the original contracts are accessible. just have a look at MSD etc. that's how they earned money. curse you

[Denti]

Originally Posted by Aso

Ehh all the EU rules are made with help of: the local CAA's, representatives of Unions and employers... So in other words: the people that are representing you either politically or as an employee.. So ALL the FTL's are written in full transparency... But I guess that they don't tell you that in the Daily Star?

Not to mention, the EU sets a limit at the low end. Countries can require higher limits. That said, working conditions apart from some very basic concepts (4 weeks of paid vacation per year, 8 days off per month for example) are not regulated by the EU, they are local laws decided by the relevant governments in each state. Especially laws governing the right to strike, or to build unions and what those unions can do differ wildly across the EU and are not unified in any form. P2F is such a practice that requires currently local laws to outlaw its use, although the social dialogue of the EU (on the insistence of ECA) is actually on that case, but the EU quite often works very slowly. Of course it doesn't help that unions representing pilots do not take part in the required international lobbying within brussels, like for example ver.di representing the orange pilots in germany.

[smthngdffrnt]

Another variable to add is the pilot who accepts these conditions...

[flash8]

I had to laugh at the bare-faced cheek of Baltic Aviation Academy...

https://www.cockpitseeker.com/wp-con...e-training.pdf

WE ARE OFFERING: • Great chance to supplement Your Company’s budget with additional income, using our human resources: selected, recommended, checked students

Yes, the English is wonky but at least they are honest and straight to the point!

[737crew]

confair is ok

Confair is ok for FOs. For Cpts is a low salary. But 747

[737crew]

Originally Posted by GanjiGirl

just had a look on that list and fraudster MSD aviation is a part of it. my cousin lost his money with that company. is MSD still active?

MSD? You mean Masadavia and CEO Kasana?

[flyingmed]

https://www.eurocockpit.be/news/eu-c...ment-practices

[robbiecando]

Lobbyism

What we need is a effective lobby against P2F. National authorities are too slow and outnumbered. Inefficient work and intentional hindering of measures to counteract P2F made way for locust airlines. Mostly low costers advantegous and making money on the back of their crews. P2F providers should be officially revealed in public. Economically not viable airlines would be cut from their vital lifeline. Healthy ones would survive with pilot salaries increasing.

[robbiecando]

I know Siddhartha Kasana

Originally Posted by 737crew

MSD? You mean Masadavia and CEO Kasana?

I know Kasana and his fraudster friends. They harmed a lot of people. Didn't knew that he's still working in this business. Just search for MSD Aviation on pprune and you'll find some interesting stuff.

[chafra]

eaglejet

Constantly receiving their ad mails but never registered on their website.

[industry insider]

Obviously the self sufficient co-pilot training is hard to read:

[beachbumflyer]

Originally Posted by robbiecando

What we need is a effective lobby against P2F. National authorities are too slow and outnumbered. Inefficient work and intentional hindering of measures to counteract P2F made way for locust airlines. Mostly low costers advantegous and making money on the back of their crews. P2F providers should be officially revealed in public. Economically not viable airlines would be cut from their vital lifeline. Healthy ones would survive with pilot salaries increasing.

You are right, but there is nothing to do to change this as long as there are pilots willing to pay to get ahead of others- with more experience and better qualified- that only care about themselves and give a dam about others and the pilot profession, their profession.