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BA lands at WRONG airport - Edinburgh instead of Dusseldorf

Old 25th Mar 2019, 18:42
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Curious. If this is a regular daily rotation with that flight number is it not most likely that ATC at city would wonder why a flight with that number that usually goes to DUS has a flight plan and hence clearance to EDI? Or do such things not marry up in aviation? Is it a new service? How long has WDL been operating for BA from city and is it only on certain routes?
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 19:03
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It will be interesting to see how the BA PR department spins this one.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 19:07
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Back when US Air was driving Saabs between Dulles and ALB, I'd always ask the pilot where we were going when jumping/crouching/shoulder-rolling into the POS plane. More than once, the pilot and gate agent were not in agreement. And then we'd get a new crew, which created a long delay because of Mr. Saarinen's "People Movers".
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 19:17
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How long has WDL been operating for BA from city and is it only on certain routes?
WDL are a substitute operator for BA Cityflyer at London City, with a BAe 146/RJ. They get called in as required to operate different rotations each day when the heavily used main BA Cityflyer fleet is an aircraft down on requirements.

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Old 25th Mar 2019, 19:19
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And then there was the Northwest dc10 that landed in Brussels instead of Frankfurt. Both have runways 25 L/R.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 19:21
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I recall a case study in goof-proofing procedures and processes. Southwest placarded the aircraft tail number at passenger and cargo doors and several servicing points. It's another "checkpoint" that saves about $250k annually by preventing boarding or loading baggage onto the wrong aircraft, miscatering, miscrewing, etc.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 19:46
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
WDL are a substitute operator for BA Cityflyer at London City, with a BAe 146/RJ. They get called in as required to operate different rotations each day when the heavily used main BA Cityflyer fleet is an aircraft down on requirements.
Looks like the last few days they’ve done all DUS rotations, yesterday they covered a late shift DUS-LCY-EDI-LCY-DUS. You can see where the confusion could have come from in ops. Noticed it (appears to have) flew with the CFE1JB callsign though which is the 3271 to DUS normally, did nobody at LCY pick this up?
i flew with WDL recently on a last minute sub-in for Hop from Strasbourg to Toulouse and they were spot on in terms of thorough announcements... did nobody in the cabin spot a mention of Edinburgh?!
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 19:54
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Anyone one in the industry going through T5 at peak times will see how it could happen!
It wasn't a flight from Heathrow.

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Old 25th Mar 2019, 20:10
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Incredible ! beggars belief that not one passenger noticed that they were flying North and never went over the water (Channel)
According to the Daily Mail, there were only 5 passengers on the flight.

If that's true, they were probably all avoiding sitting in the 146's window seats.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 20:22
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In their case a roster might not be that much of a help as they probably get shifted around quite a bit depending on where CityJet needs them. As for the cabin crew checking boarding passes, welcome to the 21st century. Even if the occasional passenger shows his/her boarding pass, they ask about the seat row so that's what the cabin crew will be looking for. It would be more of a coincidence if they'd notice a wrong destination.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 20:26
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Guess, Mr.Bean was flyin'
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 20:27
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Hm.... I‘m flying tomorrow morning from DUS to LCY. I‘m a little bit confused what to pack...
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 20:51
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Hm.... I‘m flying tomorrow morning from DUS to LCY. I‘m a little bit confused what to pack...
Just to be safe, worth popping a kilt in...
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 21:22
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I think the title “Lands at wrong airport” is a bit misleading. The flight plan was to Edinburgh, the pilots intended to fly to Edinburgh and they did fly to and land at Edinburgh. So comparisons to Ryanair landing at the wrong airport by mistake are not appropriate and saying they should have queried a Northern SID is not a valid comment because all departures to EDI have a Northern SID so that is what the flight crew would have expected. Also no fuel anxieties because they would have had the fuel for their planned flight to EDI. There has clearly been a big cock up as to why the flight plan was to the wrong airport and my thoughts echo a lot of the other comments above.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 21:24
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Both pilots should be suspended immediately
Didn’t they even LOOK at the compass?
It sounds funny, but it just shows how the art of aviation has been lost for the ’art’ of electronic cockpit management.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 21:31
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Originally Posted by Procrastinus View Post
Both pilots should be suspended immediately
Didn’t they even LOOK at the compass?
It sounds funny, but it just shows how the art of aviation has been lost for the ’art’ of electronic cockpit management.
Might be worth reading one or two of the previous posts on the thread before hitting submit reply.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 22:26
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There is disbelief and amusement in this thread but there was potential for it to get very unpleasant. What if a few alert passengers started to think on the lines of MH370, 9/11 or Germanwings, with a rogue flight crew? (Coincidentally Germanwings was en route to Dusseldorf) A few text messages or calls to loved ones and the next thing you have a full on terror alert.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 23:28
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Back in 1967 I had a similar occurrence when flying as a F/O on the B727.
We were scheduled Sydney-Brisbane and at the same time another B727 was scheduled Sydney-Adelaide.
In their wisdom operations swapped aircraft due to future maintenance and informed everyone EXCEPT us.
We only found out the pax and F/A’s were all going to Adelaide when a passenger asked the F/A why the Pacific Ocean was out there on the right side of the aircraft and not the inland of Australia.
A quick anxious visit to the flight deck by said F/A soon told us that we were the only ones who did not know the correct pax destination.
A hasty radio call to Operations soon clarified matters and we turned for Adelaide and the other B727 turned for Brisbane.
It was tea and bikkies in the Airport Managers office for the Flight Ops people and Some very red faces.
Bit of a laugh though!


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Old 25th Mar 2019, 23:34
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Passenger query. Suppose someone in the cabin had realised they were going to the wrong destination, what could have been done about it? As far as I can see, the pilots were instructed to fly to Edinburgh, which they did in a normal, safe, fashion. Would it be possible to change to an unplanned destination in flight? Would it be possible to calculate fuel adequacy in the time available? Would there even be time to make sure all the passengers wanted to go to Dusseldorf? Seems likely the safest plan would be to carry on to Edinburgh and write it off to a paperwork problem in the back office.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 23:39
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There is disbelief and amusement in this thread but there was potential for it to get very unpleasant. What if a few alert passengers started to think on the lines of MH370, 9/11 or Germanwings, with a rogue flight crew? (Coincidentally Germanwings was en route to Dusseldorf) A few text messages or calls to loved ones and the next thing you have a full on terror alert.
Yes, they wouldn't think of asking any of the cabin crew or pilots what was going on/where they were going before going into panic/terror mode...
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