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Trump ¨ Pilots are no longer needed¨

Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:05
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Question Trump ¨ Pilots are no longer needed¨

¨Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are....¨

The president added in a second tweet: "I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!"



Contradictions, yet the old B-727 was a great airplane with a flight engineer always monitoring.




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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:13
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So he was actually opining the opposite to what the thread title suggested at first glance.
Good on him - he's right of course.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:15
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Yup. The thread title is absolutely wrong. On purpose??
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:27
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Trump tweeted ¨Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT¨

Thats a fact.

His second tweet, below he realized his error and corrected.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:32
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Hoffa Rocks View Post
Trump tweeted ¨Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT¨

Thats a fact.

His second tweet, below he realized his error and corrected.
I actually think you've misinterpreted his words. He's being sarcastic in that first paragraph. He goes on, in the second...to clarify that first remark - which could be seen as poignant given recent events...

Don't get me wrong - I'm not standing up for the guy - but credit where it's due - he bemoaning the unnecessary over-application of technology.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:42
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I used to think technology was there to serve humanity rather than introduce more levels of distracting complexity.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:43
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Trump is darn right. Today's pilots are not recruited for their flying skills but for their technological knowledge. The present philosophy is the technology is so advanced that there is no need for pilots no more. The old man is right and I concur to what's he saying. Pilots should control the plane and not the other way around.
Soon Trump will be blamed for the 73" crashes
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:44
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“Trump says he has signed an order to ground 737 MAX 8“

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.u...amp/3152157002
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 19:01
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Originally Posted by Planet Basher View Post
I used to think technology was there to serve humanity rather than introduce more levels of distracting complexity.
Same here - then some guy called Steve came up with the iPhone - and we've become increasingly enamoured, hooked and infantilised by the nonsense ever since.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 19:18
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Originally Posted by Planet Basher View Post
I used to think technology was there to serve humanity rather than introduce more levels of distracting complexity.
I was going to write this on another thread but I think it is more appropriate here:

"When it is man v machine gravity will win out"

And for once and maybe the first time I find myself somewhat in agreement with Trump. But of course technology allows the extra $ to be squeezed out of the performance.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:17
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I guess the biggest problem with technology is that it’s programmed by us, by humans, and sometimes our limitations will cause tech to misfire.

In the case of the 737MAX tech issue that ended up in these two crashes(?), and without claiming to know even close to everything about the specifics on this system, it seems like it’s also a case of pushing an old design far, too far(?), while developing some of the designs and systems to the point where the aircraft is no longer safe.

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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:25
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Figure of speech. Automation has been replacing and/or reducing pilot's workload, actions and inputs, which is true.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:37
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It is not the pilots, it might even not be the software systems.
In most cases, it is a sensor breaking up, or feeding wrong information to the pilots/systems.

We absolutely need more and better quality control (and back-up's) for the sensors.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:52
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The best back-up already exists, and is fitted. It's called a pilot.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:53
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Originally Posted by MartinAOA View Post
Figure of speech. Automation has been replacing and/or reducing pilot's workload, actions and inputs, which is true.
Yes, and that's a good thing; you want to hold the yoke and keep your feet on the rudder pedals for the entire way across the pond ? - never deviating +/- 20 feet or 3 degrees left or right? I thought not. Me neither.

Automation has it's good and proper useage as part of the aircraft systems and the aeroplanes we fly - it's our world.

What is fundemnenatlly needed is an in depth knowledge of how far one can go - with these systems, i,e; when do we take over from the machine - who has laboriously been flying us for thousands of miles...and then makes a mistake.

Or worse still - makes a profound judgement error on TO - due to a mistake we may or may not have made.

It's not cut and dried as much as you think it is - or wish it to be.

Tech has a habit of being work in progress. We are a part of that.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 22:10
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It is true that pilots are no longer needed - the automatic controls are perfectly capable of crashing the aircraft by themselves without the need for pilot input.

And, without the pilots - less compensation payable, and more profits from which to pay the compensation. Win, win!

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Old 13th Mar 2019, 22:46
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This coming from a man who can’t operate an umbrella.
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