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Farnborough Airshow public weekend axed -BBC

Old 7th Mar 2019, 14:01
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How awfully sad.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 15:10
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The bottom line is that most accidents happen in the home. Ergo, this statistically unsupportable knee jerk reaction will probably increase the number of accidents.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 15:19
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Originally Posted by Downwind Lander View Post
The bottom line is that most accidents happen in the home. Ergo, this statistically unsupportable knee jerk reaction will probably increase the number of accidents.
I doubt the hourly fatality rate in the home is higher than at air shows, but feel free to provide data.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 20:35
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If this country were really so up there on public safety,before we ban air shows,we should ban trains from passing through any main line station,without stopping...Pure lunacy and a dreadful risk to human life,probably about once every 10 minutes,too.
Not sure how much energy the average train and carriages wield,but,I ask you..being allowed to hurtle within 2metres or less,of unprotected groups of commuters,including children...I'd say one of the most obvious daily dangers to joe public,and,unfortunately for the train drivers,probably just as traumatic...
Ah,but...hang on a minute..the cost of building a barrier!...umm..could be as much as Donald's wall! Crikey!
"Next on the agenda...Airshows!.".(gasps of horror)
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 21:00
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Originally Posted by TehDehZeh View Post
I doubt the hourly fatality rate in the home is higher than at air shows, but feel free to provide data.
So you want to narrow in the statistics in your end to air show display while keeping the other end wide as any time spent at home?

That's so cute...
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 08:21
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What next

Motor racing, particularly rally through the forests?
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:35
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Disappointing to see that once again, as is so often the case these days, idiocy prevails!
If you want to blame someone, start with that total prat (language to covet my real thoughts not permitted) Andrew Hill.

as someone who lives about 1/2 mile north of approach I’m glad wreckless showoffs like him won’t be permitted to have a ‘cognitive lapse’ and fly into my house.

farnbrough is a very built up area with little room for error
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:46
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The threshold has been moved a while ago. No drama. There are biz jets flying day in and out.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:22
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There is a benefit to airshows in inspiring people to work in aviation or to learn. Not sure how you fund the upfront cost of that longer term benefit

Could they not allow people to walk around static exhibits.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 18:41
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Originally Posted by Downwind Lander View Post
The bottom line is that most accidents happen in the home. Ergo, this statistically unsupportable knee jerk reaction will probably increase the number of accidents.
This might be my favourite forum post of all time! I bursting to know more!

Will the decision increase all accidents? Or just accidents to people landing downwind? Or increase accidents at home because the folk who would've gone to Farnborough are now at home having accidents?
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 21:48
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If the concerns about the flying worry our authorities why not move the event.....SHOCK>>>>HORROR...… yes move away from FAB. There must be another large quiet that would host the show without the problems mentioned in the previous posts...…… just saying!! How about Doncaster, I know its in the north but it seems to fit the requirements. Discuss....






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Old 10th Mar 2019, 21:53
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Originally Posted by speedbird9274 View Post
If the concerns about the flying worry our authorities why not move the event.....SHOCK>>>>HORROR...… yes move away from FAB. There must be another large quiet that would host the show without the problems mentioned in the previous posts...…… just saying!! How about Doncaster, I know its in the north but it seems to fit the requirements. Discuss....
It's a trade show. The air display is just a small part.

There has been massive investment in the infrastructure at Farnborough, particularly in recent years, to support the business part of the event. There is no comparable airfield in the UK that could take its place.
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 07:30
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Farnborough is a large exhibition hall complex with a handy runway nearby. The other aerodromes of the UK are just runways, some with passenger terminals. The other exhibition halls of the UK are just halls with car parks.

It's the only place in the UK where you can hold such an event.
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 15:15
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Originally Posted by TehDehZeh View Post
I doubt the hourly fatality rate in the home is higher than at air shows, but feel free to provide data.
It's a well enough known phenomenon, but for you, TehDehZeh:

https://www.rospa.com/home-safety/ad...s-and-figures/

It is the basis for contending that it is safer to run public Guy Fawkes events than not.The problem is about blame.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 07:45
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Originally Posted by Downwind Lander View Post
It's a well enough known phenomenon,
The link does not seem to provide numbers on fatalities per person per hour which is the relevant number here if we assume the air show spectators would instead watch TV on the couch.

Obviously people spend a significant amount of time in their homes, meaning that a very low risk will still amount to lots of deaths.

Or would you suggest that driving a formula one car is safer than flying? After all the fatality rate of the former is lower than one per year..
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 10:38
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
It's a trade show. The air display is just a small part.

There has been massive investment in the infrastructure at Farnborough, particularly in recent years, to support the business part of the event. There is no comparable airfield in the UK that could take its place.
That's true but it's also been the public "face" of the Aerospace industry in the UK for generations

By treating the public badly (and charging a fortune) the business is sending a very negative message to its natural supporters. These are the people with VOTES - if they give up on us then we have only ourselves to blame if and when the politicians ignore or actively act against our interests and concerns.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 10:50
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Should we not close down our hospitals which, although excellent, have a much higher accident rate than world aviation? In fact the Chief Inspector of Air Accidents was moved into the NHS a couple of years back to bring their investigation/prevention of accidents up to the same high standard we have in aviation. Medical students are now being taught the lessons we learnt in aviation back in the 70s and called CRM!
I am in the business and still get more excited when a Lanc drones by than I do when a jetjock struts his stuff, but I concede that the general public probably enjoy the latter more. Magnificent men in their flying machines!
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
That's true but it's also been the public "face" of the Aerospace industry in the UK for generations

By treating the public badly (and charging a fortune) the business is sending a very negative message to its natural supporters. These are the people with VOTES - if they give up on us then we have only ourselves to blame if and when the politicians ignore or actively act against our interests and concerns.
I do have to say the thought had crossed my mind that if Farnborough is effectively giving two fingers to the public they shouldn't be surprised if public support, such as it is, for things like planning permission and demonstration flights not to mention the inevitable noise and traffic disruption dwindles away. Perhaps thinking of the public weekend as a necessary cost of doing business may turn out later to have been the wiser choice?
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 18:27
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Originally Posted by SamYeager View Post
I do have to say the thought had crossed my mind that if Farnborough is effectively giving two fingers to the public they shouldn't be surprised if public support, such as it is, for things like planning permission and demonstration flights not to mention the inevitable noise and traffic disruption dwindles away. Perhaps thinking of the public weekend as a necessary cost of doing business may turn out later to have been the wiser choice?
I'm afraid this ("Farnborough is effectively giving two fingers to the public") has been my experience for a while now. The flying display has become more and more humdrum with little to excite. As in a post above, it will be Fairford or Duxford in future. Farnborough will become an ever-smaller clique.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 04:27
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Obviously people spend a significant amount of time in their homes, meaning that a very low risk will still amount to lots of deaths.
The other issue is that most people who die falling out of bed were very elderly and frail, already approaching the end of their lives. They're often too frail to go outside and die of something more daring.

When I worked in the home counties I used to observe that the three most dangerous hobbies were mountain biking, trampolining and going to church. A very high proportion of the patients I saw had been injured at church - as you get older you gradually stop driving, then shopping, then you become housebound other than (for many)... going to church. So if you fall over and break something it will either happen at home or church. Churches have steep steps and stone floors.

I once tried to guesstimate how dangerous airshows were compared to driving to airshows and was surprised that despite the rarity of accidents within the UK, my guesstimates were not as much in favour of airshow safety as I expected. Realistically I think most future airshows will end up being over barren heaths or coastlines and I'm not sure that's such a bad thing, so long as they continue.

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