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Old 27th Feb 2019, 08:03
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Pakistan FIR closed

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The pakistan fir has been closed off, because the indian and pakistan air force are shooting at each other.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 10:38
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some interesting diversions on Flight Radar. Aeroflot and Norwegian flights from BKK to name a couple. Though AFL directly over Karachi right now. There is a video posted of an Indian Air Force pilot being beaten like a red headed step child by the Pakistani Police/Army/Civilians.
I expect some international intervention very shortly. Otherwise this could turn into the Worst epsiode of "Neighbours Gone Bad" in history.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 10:57
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Originally Posted by TPE Flyer View Post
There is a video posted of an Indian Air Force pilot being beaten like a red headed step child by the Pakistani Police/Army/Civilians.
I expect some international intervention very shortly.
Just saw that video, the pakistan army saved the pilot from being lynched by civilians.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 11:14
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Pakistan Air Defence cannot distinguish friend from Foe ?
It can be quite hard even with all the military might and intelligence in the world
And do you really want to fly through a dog fight zone?
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Air Canada suspends service to India

Ryan Flanagan, CTVNews.ca
Published Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:56AM EST Air Canada has redirected one India-bound flight and cancelled another as tensions between that country and neighbouring Pakistan escalate.

An Air Canada spokesperson confirmed to CTV News Wednesday morning that the airline had temporarily suspended its service to India. A flight from Toronto to Delhi was directed to return to Canada, while a flight from Vancouver to Delhi was cancelled.

The spokesperson said Air Canada would resume service to India “once the situation normalizes and we determine it is safe to do so.”In addition to the daily flights to Delhi, Air Canada runs four flights a week from Toronto to Mumbai.

Pakistan’s military said Wednesday that it had shot down two Indian planes in its airspace and taken one pilot into custody. Around the same time, the country’s aviation authority announced that it had shut its airspace to all commercial flights.

Hostilities between the two countries have been increasing since a suicide attack in India-controlled Kashmir killed more than 40 Indian soldiers earlier this month.
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Airlines reroute to avoid Pakistan

Image copyright Getty Images Airlines operating flights from the Far East to destinations in Europe are having to reroute their planes away from Pakistan and northern India.

The airspace is closed due to escalating tension between the two countries, following the shooting down of two Indian military jets.

Flights via Pakistan have been cancelled and other flights rerouted.

Thai Airways has taken the more drastic step of suspending all its flights destined for Europe.

With the flight space south of Pakistan becoming crowded, the Bangkok-based airline has not been able to establish alternative routes for its flights.''By closing the airspace, every flight from Thailand to Europe has been affected. For flights that are going to depart this evening we will call an urgent meeting to consider the impact of such events," said Thai Airways President Sumeth Damrongchaitham.

Singapore Airlines and British Airways are amongst the operators that have had to reroute flights.

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Old 27th Feb 2019, 17:40
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Originally Posted by Bueno Hombre View Post
Pakistan Air Defence cannot distinguish friend from Foe ?
Maybe the Pakistan Air Defense can, but some group of non-government rebels can't? MH17 comes to mind.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 18:43
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After Malaysia Air 17, there should be no questions or discussions of routing commercial aircraft around any active combat zone, especially one between two old enemies like India and Pakistan. Any airline who continues to fly over or anywhere near that area should have their certificate voided, suspended and torn into tiny little pieces.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 19:05
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The GC BKK-LHR is above Tibet. So why don't Thai fly to Europe north of Tibet, through China, Kazakh and Russia? It shouldn't be much longer a route.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 21:02
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Originally Posted by Pavel Yudaev View Post
The GC BKK-LHR is above Tibet. So why don't Thai fly to Europe north of Tibet, through China, Kazakh and Russia? It shouldn't be much longer a route.
No majors routinely fly East - West OVER those mountainous areas as far as I know.

Winds at altitude can be pretty horrendous and a forced descent can get a bit tricky.
Though using the winds along the southern edge is certainly common.

Getting far enough north to avoid those problems would probably add 1500 km to the trip.
They would need to pay for that somehow.
And also get approval from the Chinese.

Through the gulf would probably be a better option.

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Old 27th Feb 2019, 22:13
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Isnít there only 1 routing through that area - L888? Which not just tending to be uncomfortable for passengers but also a routing Chinese ATC donít like using? Let alone giving it to all this traffic.
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Routing over certain areas of Tibet requires additional passenger oxygen as the terrain won't allow descent ro 10 000' in the event of a depressurisation.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 00:55
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
Routing over certain areas of Tibet requires additional passenger oxygen as the terrain won't allow descent to 10 000' in the event of a depressurisation.
most airlines have published "escape routes" to deal with this, some have longer-lasting oxygen generators...there were many routes over eastern Turkey with the same issue..
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 01:13
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From BKK, L888 is a shorter route to Europe than going south through the ME. But it has significant challenges. First there is the very high terrain. Safety heights are above 20,000 ft for lengthy periods. In the event of a depressurisation, you need to have sufficient O2. A 15 minute chemical O2 generator is not going to be enough. Escape procedures to cover a depressurisation or engine failure are complex and will most likely require special crew training. If you have got all those operational & technical details sorted, the final challenge will be obtain Chinese approval to fly the route. So unless an airline has already configured their aircraft, trained their crews and obtained Chinese approval to fly L888, it’s not going to happen (quickly).

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If a B777 with fuel for Europe loses an engine over the Himalayas, the driftdown altitude may be lower than the MSA.
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Just seen a Twitter news release from Thai Airways to say they will be operating European flights via China....no details of the actual route however
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 08:25
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Seems my English is not good enough. I did mean to fly north of Tibet, not above it.
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Originally Posted by perantau View Post
If a B777 with fuel for Europe loses an engine over the Himalayas, the driftdown altitude may be lower than the MSA.
escape routes designated by the airline, or their inflight performance provider
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 09:19
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Pardon me for flooding this a bit Looks like at least two Thai flights - to Stockholm and Moscow - took the L888 route today. As well as Azur Air on B763ER Krabi-Moscow ZF7734/KTK7734 is aiming to the same route as well.

If you're keen to know more about the establishment of L888, escape routes etc., google for "L888 flight route", images - there's a presentation from Qantas on a blue backgound covering the creation and early days of L888.
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Coming back home. 3 flights departed Peshavar

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