Germania in financial difficulties
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SaulGoodman
It's a way in. Life is full of choices. Take it or leave it. Is anyone forcing anyone to take this route? Your comment is just as useless!
unless you had to pay for your full training and did not get paid for the first 6 months your comment is completely useless...
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From: schermoney and left front seat
Yes, in a way one is. Forced. With ratings that last one year, with 50-60-70.000€ financed etc. Anyone who takes that route must know that they are undermining the T&Cs of the very jobs they long for after a joint like ST, though. In that way, its not bad that they are gone. OTOH they had just absorbed a lot of ex Air Berlin guys and these are f..... again.
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The managers who create schemes like this deserve to fail. The real shame is the fact that innocents are dragged down with them - in this case the regular pilots and cabin crew.
HT, I suggest that you take a long look at yourself. Exploiting the vulnerable is not an admirable trait.
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From: Under a Rock
Put your handbags away
Can we stop bickering now over this? The bottom line is that Germania did help a number of pilots into the job market by giving them hours, but you may not like the way they did it. The snag is that most are now unemployed, but they may be OK because there is a shortage of experienced pilots...apparently.
But remember there are a lot of other staff, cabin crew, engineers, ground ops, planners, admin, accountants all without an immediate future.
Good luck to all the staff at Germania, whether you were part of P2F or not. Being out of work is no fun.
But remember there are a lot of other staff, cabin crew, engineers, ground ops, planners, admin, accountants all without an immediate future.
Good luck to all the staff at Germania, whether you were part of P2F or not. Being out of work is no fun.
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From: schermoney and left front seat
Can we stop bickering now over this? The bottom line is that Germania did help a number of pilots into the job market by giving them hours, but you may not like the way they did it. The snag is that most are now unemployed, but they may be OK because there is a shortage of experienced pilots...apparently.
But remember there are a lot of other staff, cabin crew, engineers, ground ops, planners, admin, accountants all without an immediate future.
Good luck to all the staff at Germania, whether you were part of P2F or not. Being out of work is no fun.
But remember there are a lot of other staff, cabin crew, engineers, ground ops, planners, admin, accountants all without an immediate future.
Good luck to all the staff at Germania, whether you were part of P2F or not. Being out of work is no fun.
Ahhh the just except any and everything brigade. "Giving them hours" Oh the joy, the nice people they were. I guess we should start a charity for ST's management then ?
I think it would be better if we all buy our own fuel in future, so that the Michael O'Learies of this planet can get a decent payback for giving us all the hours...selfless folks, these...
Apart from my sarcasm:
There is no shortage, at least not in Germany. And all of these folks in ST were UNDERPAID all the the time already.
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HT, I suggest that you take a long look at yourself. Exploiting the vulnerable is not an admirable trait.
As for your analogy, I will resist to go into that or we will go off piste.
Sorry, but even though I fully agree with your view that the managers who create these schemes deserve to fail, that won't happen unless these jobs are not applied for in the first place. Don't blame the airline, blame the guys and girls who apply accepting these T&Cs. If there were no takers things would have to change.
Anyway, whatever some of you may think of Germania, the bottom line is that a large workforce have lost their jobs and my thoughts are with them.
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From: HSSS/ARP
Sort-of interview with young ST pilot (in German):
https://www.bento.de/future/germania-insolvenz-dieser-junge-pilot-zahlte-100-000-euro-fuer-den-traumjob-jetzt-ist-er-weg-a-e69f8cc9-3496-490c-af35-65f62cbfbaad
Strong topic but very weak journalism.
Did they pay the full amount upfront when joining the P2F scheme or was it "pay as you go" i.e. per flight hour?
https://www.bento.de/future/germania-insolvenz-dieser-junge-pilot-zahlte-100-000-euro-fuer-den-traumjob-jetzt-ist-er-weg-a-e69f8cc9-3496-490c-af35-65f62cbfbaad
Strong topic but very weak journalism.
Did they pay the full amount upfront when joining the P2F scheme or was it "pay as you go" i.e. per flight hour?
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From: FL510
The gossip is, Cargolux, Edelweiss, Laudamotion and Swiss not accepting GMI pilots "due to pay2fly at GMI".
Not sure it's true, time will probably tell.
Would limit the options for the pilots a but further, nasty.
Not sure it's true, time will probably tell.
Would limit the options for the pilots a but further, nasty.
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From: ZRH
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The days of their infamous proper p2f, charging FOs by the hour in addition to the the type rating are long gone, that was 15-20years ago as far as i know. Nowadays its pay for your rating and earn a low salary, which was honestly not the worst option for rookies. Salaries for pilots in germany outside of LH and Tui are ridiculous even by european standards so germania basically just fitted in on the lower end
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Plus you need to pass that DLR test for anything LH related. If you don't or have failed once before there is not much choice left. Maybe this no mercy practice is forcing young pilots into P2F and similar too? Maybe the VC union should start with their own policy?
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From: Amongst the Gum Tree's
HT - that was a rubbish appraisal. In your day, there wasn’t a significant disparity between income and expense, competition for jobs just wasn’t really there. This argument has been had.
Wishing well to the people of germania.
The fact is that from personal experience at the time I disagree with your rose coloured view of that era.
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From: Bonvoy Marriott
Cargolux and laudamotion are accepting applications from Germania pilots. In fact, Laudamotion is specifically targeting them and so are a few others. Not the worst time to lose your job
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The gossip is, Cargolux, Edelweiss, Laudamotion and Swiss not accepting GMI pilots "due to pay2fly at GMI".
Cargolux and laudamotion are accepting applications from Germania pilots. In fact, Laudamotion is specifically targeting them
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From: EASA land
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From: I wouldn't know.
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From: Hyeres, France
Not sure if his info is correct, but I do like the possible irony.