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Another A380 Woe?

Old 13th Feb 2019, 12:01
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Is the A380 facing the final curtain?

Airbus to give update on A380 shutdown plans
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 18:10
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Is the A380 facing the final curtain?
More here:
Airbus Should Accept Reality And End The A380 Program | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week

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Old 13th Feb 2019, 18:13
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A380 cancelled

Leeham News reported today that A380 will be formally cancelled at press conference tomorrow
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 22:58
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so, do they still have to repay the launch aid?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 05:08
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according to the BBC, it's now official:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47231504

Production to end in 2021; a pity, it's a lovely plane for passengers, very quiet. But then, so is the A350.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 05:27
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Sad day for PAX but they will keep flying for many years
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 05:56
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Originally Posted by cooperplace View Post
according to the BBC, it's now official:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47231504

Production to end in 2021; a pity, it's a lovely plane for passengers, very quiet. But then, so is the A350.
Couldn't agree more. The 380 is magnificent but on a trip last month my first ride in a 350 was a revelation. If this is the standard then the proliferation of bland twins need not be all dull. I expect the 777X will similarly move the game on.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 06:18
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Sad day for PAX but they will keep flying for many years
And, arguably, a somewhat Pyrrhic victory for Emirates. Their strategy of playing hardball with RR and Airbus has left them with the world's largest fleet of orphans.

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:36
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
And, arguably, a somewhat Pyrrhic victory for Emirates. Their strategy of playing hardball with RR and Airbus has left them with the world's largest fleet of orphans.
That is a pertinent point Dave.
That EK grew rather rapidly post GFC saw them replace, at least in the antipodes, alliances with 'greater fools' lots of additional capacity and ASK/RPK being the result.
That their operating metrics softened in the recent past is suggestive that perhaps scale is an issue. Additionally, one does wonder what attractions, other than fuel, catering and freight does the UAE offer?

The question is whether they have been caught wrong footed, adding that capacity precisely when fleet metrics and the market are not favouring their current order book.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:22
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a pity, it's a lovely plane
Being tossed about by its wake at FL400 Im looking forward to the day these beasts are gone.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 10:08
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Originally Posted by His dudeness View Post
Being tossed about by its wake at FL400 Im looking forward to the day these beasts are gone.
Shooting at an ambulance is not very nice , besides the fact that a 757 produces more vortex than a 380 , the beasts are likely to be still flying long after you retire...
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 10:26
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher View Post
Shooting at an ambulance is not very nice , besides the fact that a 757 produces more vortex than a 380 , the beasts are likely to be still flying long after you retire...
The wake depends on phase of flight.
I think His Dudeness referred to them in cruise flight, when A380 is the culprit of the two.
Whereas ATC Watcher, you likely refer to them on approach, where the B757 is the culprit of the two.
You are both correct.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 10:53
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Originally Posted by His dudeness View Post
Being tossed about by its wake at FL400 Im looking forward to the day these beasts are gone.
Well, you should climb to FL450 or even FL470 like I do, usually quite smooth over there ;-)
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:02
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher View Post
the beasts are likely to be still flying long after you retire...
Yeah yeah, remind me of my age. Thanks.

I think His Dudeness referred to them in cruise flight, when A380 is the culprit of the two.
We were thrown to about 60 Bank at FL400 at about 7nm / 1000 ft separation acc. to radar. We were lucky, neither the airframe nor pax were hurt. If someone would have without seat belt / standing, it could have been a different outcome.

Well, you should climb to FL450 or even FL470 like I do, usually quite smooth over there ;-)
If I did, you be moaning that I block the airways for ya. So Im friendly and stay below 450 and whats your way of thanking me ?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:05
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I'm surprised at the talk of "failure". It didn't meet the target of 1,500 sales, but was that target ever realistic in the first place? There will still be over 300 A380s flying once production ceases, with all the maintenance that goes with it. I don't expect to see many A380s sitting in the Arizona desert when they'll still be very useful.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by His dudeness View Post
If I did, you be moaning that I block the airways for ya. So Im friendly and stay below 450 and whats your way of thanking me ?
I did not think of that, I really appreciate. Will buy you a beer when you catch up with me...
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:32
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I'm surprised at the talk of "failure".
It lost its manufacturer a lot of money. In commercial terms it was a failure.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:37
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No great future as a freighter in its old age, either.
Unless someone comes up with what is likely to be a really expensive make-over.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:34
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Originally Posted by bnt View Post
I don't expect to see many A380s sitting in the Arizona desert when they'll still be very useful.
Well maybe not in the desert:



End of an era: Two Ex-Singapore Airlines Airbus A380 to be dismantled
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:38
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
No great future as a freighter in its old age, either.
Unless someone comes up with what is likely to be a really expensive make-over.
No don't think so either, probably just the weight of reinforcing the upper and lower deck floors would make it uneconomical and that's before you take into account the possible C of G problems as faced during the A320A321 conversion.

I can't say I'll miss them, whilst every pax I spoke to loves flying on them (I've never had the pleasure) they're a pain in the backside to work on, they're just too bloody big ! (I say the same for the B747!)
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