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Air Niugini Aircraft crash, Truk Lagoon

Old 28th Sep 2018, 02:59
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Air Niugini Aircraft crash, Truk Lagoon

Air Niugini Boeing737 has a overrun while landing in Micronesia ending up in the sea at Truk Lagoon PTKK.



Plane overshoots runway in Micronesia and lands in ocean - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Probably just coincidence but flight history of this aircraft shows diverted on last two ops to this airfield (21 & 27 Sep).
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Apparently it's now underwater https://www.theguardian.com/australi...lands-in-ocean

On another note - can the evac slides on 737's detach and act as life rafts? If so will be interesting to see if they were used here
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On another note - can the evac slides on 737's detach and act as life rafts?
No, they aren't slide-rafts. A separate life-raft has to be carried for over-water operations.
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On another note - can the evac slides on 737's detach and act as life rafts? If so will be interesting to see if they were used here
The slides detach, but are not rafts. I would imagine it carries separate life rafts, as do most, if not all, 737s flying around the pacific.
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Useful passenger interview by Matthew Colson on Facebook confirms undershoot. 11 crew seems OTT?
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Useful passenger interview by Matthew Colson on Facebook confirms undershoot. 11 crew seems OTT?
https://www.facebook.com/matthew.col...4720419915622/
If that's an undershoot, where's the runway ?
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confirms undershoot
Certainly does, when the pax saying they came in low, hit hard and looked down to see a hole with water gushing in.

Approach plates.

https://flightaware.com/resources/ai...KK/IAP/all/pdf

Special mins.

https://flightaware.com/resources/ai...KK/MIN/all/pdf

Looking now like they landed long with the inevitable result.


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Airline has now released a statement advising that the aircraft "landed short of the runway":

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weather

any info on weather at time of accident?
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Airline has now released a statement advising that the aircraft "landed short of the runway":
Which is clearly now b*ll*cks, in fact the end of 04 is visible at the centre right of the above video, with the aircraft about 150m beyond.
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Which is clearly now b*ll*cks, in fact the end of 04 is visible at the centre right of the above video, with the aircraft about 150m beyond.
With one of the engines acting as a sea anchor, it is quite possible that the aircraft is now facing 180 degrees away from where it was originally especially as it was floating at the time. Someone with the FR24 trace may be able to confirm this.
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With one of the engines acting as a sea anchor, it is quite possible that the aircraft is now facing 180 degrees away from where it was originally especially as it was floating at the time. Someone with the FR24 trace may be able to confirm this.
..Exactly..Also a floating plane will turn into the wind..The vertical stabilator will do its job..

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With one of the engines acting as a sea anchor, it is quite possible that the aircraft is now facing 180 degrees away from where it was originally especially as it was floating at the time. Someone with the FR24 trace may be able to confirm this.
Play the video above.

1:15: "They did hit the runway, but my understanding is that the landing was very far down the runway, not at the beginning of the runway ... Apparently the plane shot off into the lagoon ...".

There doesn't appear to be a FR24 trace, presumably no data feeder on Chuuk.
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Exactly..Also a floating plane will turn into the wind..The vertical stabilator will do its job.
Er, wouldn't that mean it would end up pointing in the direction of flight (i.e. towards the runway, if it had been an undershoot) ?

But it didn't.
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B-757,

Does that imply that the aircraft landed with a tail wind?

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27/2250 VRB/05kts doesn't give much of a clue to r/wy in use.
https://flightaware.com/resources/airport/PTKK/weather
Final position of aircraft - the Lion Air 904 water undershoot at Bali in 2013 ended up at 90 degrees to r/way heading.
Given that it took 4 hrs for Air Niugini to make a website statement, it seems strange that the circumstances wouldn't be known to them (or perhaps not...)
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Originally Posted by c_coder View Post
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Does that imply that the aircraft landed with a tail wind?
I suspect Chuuk doesn't see many 737 tailwind landings on its 6000', often wet runway with a watery overrun.
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