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B737 Utair runway excursion upon landing, in Sochi, Crimea,

Old 1st Sep 2018, 06:18
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B737 Utair runway excursion upon landing, in Sochi, Crimea,

Utair airline official statement:
B737-800 VQ-BJI during flight UT579 Moscow-Sochi, departed the runway after landing. Aircraft ended up in a river, and as a result, main landing gear and wings were destroyed. Left engine caught on fire. There were 164 people on board and 6 cabin crew/pilots. Airport firefighter brigade stopped the fire, and people were successfully evacuated.


Самолет Boeing 737-800 с бортовым номером VQ-BJI, следующий рейсом UT579 Москва - Сочи, после посадки выкатился за пределы взлетно-посадочной полосы. Воздушное судно скатилось в русло реки, в результате чего разрушились стойки шасси и крыло, произошло возгорание левого двигателя. На борту самолета находилось 164 пассажира и 6 членов экипажа. Пожарные расчеты аэропорта Сочи потушили возгорание, людей эвакуировали. Жертв нет. Авиакомпания и авиационные власти начали расследование причин случившегося.
https://www.utair.ru/about/news/info...-moskva-sochi/
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 07:15
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it is not Crimea,it is Krasnodar area (Krasnodarsky kray) Russia
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 10:16
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Landed in the WOCL (0300 local time). Runway is 2900m/9500 ft. Runway was wet, there were thunderstorms and windshear was given in the metar.
Pure speculation of course, it resembles the DHL overrun at bergamo in 2016. https://aviation-safety.net/database...0805-0&lang=nl
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Originally Posted by fox niner View Post
it resembles the DHL overrun at bergamo in 2016. https://aviation-safety.net/database...0805-0&lang=nl
Of course Iím sure what you actually meant to say is that it resembles the ASL Airlines Hungary overrun at BGY.
(Yes it was doing flights under contract for DHL at the time....)
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Of course Iím sure what you actually meant to say is that it resembles the ASL Airlines Hungary overrun at BGY.
(Yes it was doing flights under contract for DHL at the time....)
It also resembles the AA 737 overrun at Kingston.
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Russian forums report, referencing emergency services, 166 souls on board, 18 injured. Also reports have it that one of the airport officials died of cardiac arrest during or after evacuation/firefighting.
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Yet another 737 goes off piste. I know there is a lot of them, but as a type it is truly not underrepresented in this category of events.
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Originally Posted by oceancrosser View Post
Yet another 737 goes off piste. I know there is a lot of them, but as a type it is truly not underrepresented in this category of events.
maybe... Do you have some actual numbers to back this?
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Originally Posted by oceancrosser View Post
Yet another 737 goes off piste. I know there is a lot of them, but as a type it is truly not underrepresented in this category of events.
Perhaps you could expand on how or why 737s are more prone to overruns than other types. Is this a previously unrecognised design fault perhaps? Or something the aeroplane does to skew pilots' judgement in bad weather?

Your insight into this most serious allegation will be absolutely critical to saving human lives in future, you are morally and duty bound to reveal your knowledge.
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post

maybe... Do you have some actual numbers to back this?
Well the sources do exist. Feel free to search. Here is one, although only covering 1998-2007 by the ATSB https://flightsafety.org/files/RERR/ATSB%20Report.pdf
Out of 144 landing accidents, 737s accounted for 35 or almost 25%. Did 737s at the time account for 25% of Commercial Aircraft flights? Probably not.
Other sources excist for those who want to look Aviation Accident Archives - Aviation Accident Database .
Since 2008 there have been quite a lot of 737 runway accidents. Indonesian carries anyone? I am quite sure the percentage has not gone down. So apparently not underrepresented at all.
I have flown the 737 from both pilot seats, in an operation that most of the time was either limited by MTOW og MLGW. And I did not like its appetite for runways, nor mediocre stopping capability.
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Etobicoke Creek at Toronto Pearson has hosted a DC-9 and an A-340.
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Runway was wet, there were thunderstorms and windshear was given in the metar.
As usual for Sochi.
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Used this airport twice in June during World Cup...................... smallihs but with high mountains in the background plus water there is always likely to be a higher risk with weather than elsewhere.
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Ref statistics, oceancrosser, don't forget that the 737 is a short-haul aircraft. It probably does between 4 and 8 landings a day, while a long-haul may only do 2. You need to look at the percentage of landing accidents against the total number of landings on type to achieve any meaningful figure. I suspect other short-haul types like the Airbus 320/321 series will have a similar rate.
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Looking at the news pictures of a substantial fire, and then the minimal fire damage, seemingly to the port wing only with no fuselage breach, you can only conclude the ARFF must have been absolutely on the scene in a flash - at 3 am local.
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Looking at the news pictures of a substantial fire, and then the minimal fire damage, seemingly to the port wing only with no fuselage breach, you can only conclude the ARFF must have been absolutely on the scene in a flash - at 3 am local.
That's what they're there for, especially to be ready at times when aircraft movements are expected. But to your point, they seem to have done their job quite well in this case.
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Apparently ths was the third attempt, after 2 missed approaches.
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The 737 was on its 3rd attempt to land.

Maybe the Fire service was up and about anyway standing by with such mucky weather?

Also ref the fierce wing fire fed from No.1 engine, seems the wind direction fortunately blew the fire away from the fuselage and LHS exits looking at the video's...
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