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Old 27th Aug 2018, 03:22
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ANA roller coaster

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Old 27th Aug 2018, 04:32
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oops, dropped my phone
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Someone care to explain the dynamics there?
It all happened pretty fast.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 05:24
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Marginally better link:
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 06:05
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"Slope!" ..
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From the clearer links above seem to be 2 separate attempts with about the same roller coaster effect
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Transcript HOT MIKE 1:
”So when I was still flying Twin Otters in the Caribbean, we used to approach St. barths. And when right over the hill, you had to push down like THIS....to make it to the runway.”
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"I said Captain-san, not Khe-Sanh!"
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Go-around...good decision.
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It’s hard to say without the QAR/FDR trace whether the dramatic pitch down was intentional or caused by environmental conditions. Does look a bit hairy either way and they binned the approach shortly after which I’m sure most of us would agree with.

NRT (if that’s where it is) has some “interesting” effects in strong winds - definitely a not a airport for any complacency...
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 12:22
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Typhoon Cimarron

The, um, Daily Star says it was at Narita and that the landing was during Typhoon Cimarron.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 16:43
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Thread running in Tech Log which offers this as a possible reason.

https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20120214-0
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 17:23
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Originally Posted by megan
Thread running in Tech Log which offers this as a possible reason.

https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20120214-0
Airbus...was this not a 787?
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 17:34
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Airbus...was this not a 787?
ANA was first Dreamliner customer. That is a 787. The wings, tips and gear tell it all.

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Old 27th Aug 2018, 18:17
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Read the postings. You missed the salient point in the Airbus report.
The pilot flying (PF) was a captain-under-training, occupying the left seat; the right seat was occupied by a training captain ............. both pilots sensed that the aircraft was sinking rapidly and both initiated a TOGA 10 go-around. The PF momentarily retarded the thrust levers to idle before advancing them to the TOGA (Takeoff and Go-around) position. At the same time, he made a full forward sidestick input
The PF brought his muscle memory from the right seat to the left, go around from the right seat, pull with the right and push with the left.

ANA B787 "interesting go around"
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Originally Posted by megan
Read the postings. You missed the salient point in the Airbus report.The PF brought his muscle memory from the right seat to the left, go around from the right seat, pull with the right and push with the left.

ANA B787 "interesting go around"
You missed the salient point that that report was about another flight.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 22:40
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There is a danger in mis-leading readers when another complex incident is brought into a prang/incient without developing a linkage to salient facts.
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Boeing.

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There is a danger in mis-leading readers when another complex incident is brought into a prang/incient without developing a linkage to salient facts.
A good start to a discussion is the fact that from the video, the first input was Nose Up. A robust Nose Up. Followed by an abrupt and alarming Nose Down. Will we hear the shaker on the CVR?

If the Nose Up was not commanded, I’ll call it an excursion.
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Chasing the glideslope?
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 03:29
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Originally Posted by clark y
Chasing the glideslope?
Certainly not.

That Airbus incident where the captain moved from the right seat to the left is interesting.

What used to be "raise the nose, advance the throttle" would be "lower the nose, reduce the throttle" when in the left seat.
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