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Air China plane dropped more than 6,000m

Old 13th Jul 2018, 17:11
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
'The death zone'? Really, where do they find these 'experts'.
That's an accepted mountaineering term, not an aviation term.

Mount Everest The Death Zone

Another report from The Age newspaper.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 19:36
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He tried to turn the recirc fans off. Itís an old trick on the 73. The recirc fans help with efficiency by using less bleed air for cooling. Turn the fans off and you can sneak a smoke in the cockpit. Donít turn the ******* packs off. Recirc fans off is the proper procedure for smoking in the cockpit, from what Iíve heard...
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 21:21
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
In 1987 a Delta captain somehow confused square buttons with round knobs and shut off both engines on a 767 out of LAX. He got the motors started and they pressed on to CVG where salt spray was rinsed off the plane prior to the next leg to LGA. The square buttons were subsequently relocated far away from the round knobs to prevent a reoccurrance. The captain was relocated away from the Delta flight deck as well.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 21:47
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Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
He tried to turn the recirc fans off. Itís an old trick on the 73. The recirc fans help with efficiency by using less bleed air for cooling. Turn the fans off and you can sneak a smoke in the cockpit. Donít turn the ******* packs off. Recirc fans off is the proper procedure for smoking in the cockpit, from what Iíve heard...

What puzzles me is this - How TF can you confuse the recirc fan switch for the pack or bleeds ? They look different, and they feel different. The switches even operate slightly differently. The Recirc fan can be Ďflickedí off. The others not so much (for obvious reasons)

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Old 13th Jul 2018, 22:37
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Itís a cockpit dating from the 1960ís. A 737 classic was the aeronautical equivalent of a record player, an NG is a brand new record player. The switches are very similar in appearance and location. Also, when I was learning to fly, the Chinese cadets were on a short leash and were the cream of the crop. I just saw an old friend who is CP at a flight school in Georgia with a primarily Chinese student body. The level of aptitude and discipline has gone down a few notches it seems. We laughed at this and said that a few years ago, this guy wouldíve been shot at dawn in his uniform.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 22:59
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e tried to turn the recirc fans off. It’s an old trick on the 73
how does cockpit air get recirculated? I thought it all goes overboard and recircs are only for the cabin..

only cockpit-smoking trick I know is putting a large coin under the smoke evac lever in the 747-400 cockpit opening slightly the (which in the early design used to be) sextant-periscope port...

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Old 13th Jul 2018, 23:55
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Not just the streaks, it used to clog the valves as well. And people still wanted to suck it into their lungs ???
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Old 14th Jul 2018, 03:25
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Originally Posted by golfyankeesierra View Post

how does cockpit air get recirculated? I thought it all goes overboard and recircs are only in the cabin..

only cockpit-smoking trick I know is putting a large coin under the smoke evac lever in the 747-400 cockpit opening slightly the (which used to be) sextant-periscope port...
im in the process of upgrading on a bigger Boeing, so donít want negative transfer. However, if Iím not mistaken, the air goes through the E&E bay and forward cargo. I quit, but have heard stories of what cig smoke did to avionics cooling fins and gyros.
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Old 14th Jul 2018, 07:27
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Not just the streaks, it used to clog the valves as well. And people still wanted to suck it into their lungs ???
In my old outfit, during hangar maintenance, the outflow valve was removed and put in a bucket full of fuel for 24 hours.,That got rid of the tar. IIRC, we were one of the first UK airlines to ban smoking. People said it would cost us passengers. In fact, the opposite.
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Old 18th Jul 2018, 11:57
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"China has revoked the licences of two Air China pilots after a vaping incident in the cockpit forced an emergency descent last week."

Air China vaping: Pilots fired over e-cigarette emergency
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