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In my mind there are four ways to reduce air rage.
1. Re-introduce smoking areas airside at every terminal. Has anyone bothered to do a study of the number of incidents from airports where they have airside smoking areas vs the ones that don't? Personally, as a smoker, I don't have any issues with waiting the 1-2 hours before departure and the 2-12 hours of the flight but then get quite anxious to have a smoke as soon as we land. If however the flight is delayed, even worse if it is a rolling delay, you just have no idea when you will get your next fix so you get wound up.
2.Ban children Ensure that there is sufficient overhead locker space to get one standard size bag per person above the row where they sit. Check bags as people board and enforce the cabin bag size policy. Too big, it goes in the hold. If the person cannot prove they can lift the bag over their head, it goes in the hold. If the person has 2-3 bags, it goes in the hold
3. Ensure the seats are wide enough to take three average size males from the country of operation (not tiny Japanese people) without any of them leaning into the aisle or getting squished in the middle and make sure that there is enough leg room for the same standard sized males to actually have their knees in front of themselves with the seat in front reclined. while we are at it, make sure that if the seat in front is reclined, there is still enough space for said males to read a book without being forced to recline their chair too.
4. Like others have said on this thread, I too like 2-3 pints before a flight as it helps me sleep and avoid the boredom associated with flying and also to ignore the noisy children that some parents seem unable to control.
Duty free could be banned but then the prices of your tickets would go up. The solution for those that seem unable to not open teir duty free bottles would be to extend the US system to not allow the bag to leave the shop with the passenger. All duty free alcohol should be boxed up and put in the hold for collection at the gate on arrival.
1. Re-introduce smoking areas airside at every terminal. Has anyone bothered to do a study of the number of incidents from airports where they have airside smoking areas vs the ones that don't? Personally, as a smoker, I don't have any issues with waiting the 1-2 hours before departure and the 2-12 hours of the flight but then get quite anxious to have a smoke as soon as we land. If however the flight is delayed, even worse if it is a rolling delay, you just have no idea when you will get your next fix so you get wound up.
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3. Ensure the seats are wide enough to take three average size males from the country of operation (not tiny Japanese people) without any of them leaning into the aisle or getting squished in the middle and make sure that there is enough leg room for the same standard sized males to actually have their knees in front of themselves with the seat in front reclined. while we are at it, make sure that if the seat in front is reclined, there is still enough space for said males to read a book without being forced to recline their chair too.
4. Like others have said on this thread, I too like 2-3 pints before a flight as it helps me sleep and avoid the boredom associated with flying and also to ignore the noisy children that some parents seem unable to control.
Duty free could be banned but then the prices of your tickets would go up. The solution for those that seem unable to not open teir duty free bottles would be to extend the US system to not allow the bag to leave the shop with the passenger. All duty free alcohol should be boxed up and put in the hold for collection at the gate on arrival.
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"Normal" AIR RAGE is a byproduct of frustration caused by delay, seat allocation, or overbooking or similar unacceptable practices and can occur without the consumption of alcohol.
In the case of alcohol, if consumed to excess, "RAGE" knows no boundaries, drunks will find a reason to fight in a bar, on a bus or train, or on a street corner. The same person who assaulted the crew on this flight is likely to have done something similar before, in a pub, on a train, etc, etc. Therefore any proposals to deny drinking to excess, either before or during flight should be welcomed, but will not directly address the issue. Identifying the characteristics of this type of passenger after committing a similar act of violence should result in banning from all aspects of flight. It is not easy, but it needs to be addressed.
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In the case of alcohol, if consumed to excess, "RAGE" knows no boundaries, drunks will find a reason to fight in a bar, on a bus or train, or on a street corner. The same person who assaulted the crew on this flight is likely to have done something similar before, in a pub, on a train, etc, etc. Therefore any proposals to deny drinking to excess, either before or during flight should be welcomed, but will not directly address the issue. Identifying the characteristics of this type of passenger after committing a similar act of violence should result in banning from all aspects of flight. It is not easy, but it needs to be addressed.
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How about the 'big data' approach? Currently food/drink outlets airside do not scan boarding cards for each purchase. If they did, you would very quickly build up a set of data describing the behaviour of individuals. Allowing for people buying drinks for each other and buying cheap duty-fee alcohol, I reckon a machine learning algorithm could confidently flag individuals to receive a second look and a few words to evaluate their state as they board.
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I’ve always thought a drinking licence should be introduced. A form of photo ID that is issued at 18 (or other legal drinking age) that can be revoked by the authorities from those that are consistently drunk and disorderly.
There's an a lot being written about the problem that excessive drinking in the airport and on the flight presents the cabin crew and other passengers. The problem seems to be more prevalent on short haul flights to holiday destinations which raises the question, not to deflect from the issue of air safety, of how many intoxicated passengers are getting off the plane and into the drivers seat of a hire car?
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There is no real need to impose blanket bans. Current measures should be sufficient, if they are followed. Introducing additional ones will just mean more are not followed, especially the banning of drinks. Anybody familiar with youth culture will understand “Pre’s” and I cannot imagine people drinking water in the airline lounges.
Just use the tools we have and possibly give extra training but make damn sure the culprits pay the real price. When Joe Public loses his house, car, job and spends several years of his life in prison then others will think twice, even the idiots. Fortunately, these events are rare but the reporting of them appeals to our desire for sensationalism.
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Just use the tools we have and possibly give extra training but make damn sure the culprits pay the real price. When Joe Public loses his house, car, job and spends several years of his life in prison then others will think twice, even the idiots. Fortunately, these events are rare but the reporting of them appeals to our desire for sensationalism.
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How about the 'big data' approach? Currently food/drink outlets airside do not scan boarding cards for each purchase. If they did, you would very quickly build up a set of data describing the behaviour of individuals. Allowing for people buying drinks for each other and buying cheap duty-fee alcohol, I reckon a machine learning algorithm could confidently flag individuals to receive a second look and a few words to evaluate their state as they board.
