Airbus warns about no-deal Brexit
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I am surprised that this didn't come up earlier after BAe took the short term profit over investment in the future view.
While people quite rightly say you could produce the wings anywhere assuming you have the facility to do it, the jewel in the crown has to be the wing design team, and whether they can coax the team into leaving too.
While people quite rightly say you could produce the wings anywhere assuming you have the facility to do it, the jewel in the crown has to be the wing design team, and whether they can coax the team into leaving too.
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Really.....Somewhat intolerant, no, wishing people to die ??....But not unexpected.
I suppose the only respectful reply to you is to remind you that millions of them will still be above ground and upright long after Juncker, Tusk, Verhofstedt and others....
Back to Airbus....
Lots of gnashing of teeth, from both sides on here, but does anyone really know or can provide a realistic estimate of how long it would take to recreate the UK's design and production teams and production facilities in, say, Nantes or Hamburg or Toulouse ? And having to start from scratch.....
Lots of gnashing of teeth, from both sides on here, but does anyone really know or can provide a realistic estimate of how long it would take to recreate the UK's design and production teams and production facilities in, say, Nantes or Hamburg or Toulouse ? And having to start from scratch.....
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And who will buy anything they build? The UK Aerospace civil aviation business has NEVER been very successful at building and selling commercial aircraft since 1950 - at best we could hope to do a Bombardier I guess... but look how that turned out... back at Airbus.........
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And once enough do, the majority of sensible younger people will crucify the remainder of whom voted for this madness.
It's bad enough that a generation that will become dependent on a health service that had over a 30% immigrant workforce didn't figure that they were voting in a reduced service.
Ah well, I guess Darwin was right.
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And for a slightly less histrionic (but equally alarming) assessment: Royal Aeronautical Society - Civil Aviation Regulation: What Future after Brexit?
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What will RR do after Brexit? Move engine fabrication to the continent? Their german Dahlewitz plant seems to be growing already.
They need the busses too to hang on all their donks.
Airlines sell tickets and have to plan capacity today for the time after Brexit but nobody knows any rules that will apply. What a mess for what reason?
They need the busses too to hang on all their donks.
Airlines sell tickets and have to plan capacity today for the time after Brexit but nobody knows any rules that will apply. What a mess for what reason?
What a lot of rude posts from Remoaners, especially Vinrouge who doesnt even live in the UK.......
I didnt vote because I see equal benefits of staying and leaving. The UK Government has been amazingly incompetent at leaving and the EU bureaucrats seem intransigent and spiteful, but at the end of the day we can allow in or out of the UK whatever goods we want. It will be up to the EU whether they allow goods in - no democracy refuses to allow goods out unless they represent a security risk, and a few nuts and bolts coming back to euroland as a wing dont fall into this category. Can anyone explain why a european country would refuse to allow an airbus wing to come in??????
Airbus's largest shareholders are the Germans and French who are on the other side of the negotiating table. If you believe this is a non political announcement you really are naive. The reality is we will leave the EU well before Airbus or any other major EU company can shift any production. What thy subsequently do will depend on their experience and instructions from their political masters after March 2019, not their posturing beforehand. The worry is the EU will try to punish the UK by closing their borders. We have the freedom to keep our borders open to goods. This will hurt euroland as much as the UK.
Lets try to have a sensible debate
I didnt vote because I see equal benefits of staying and leaving. The UK Government has been amazingly incompetent at leaving and the EU bureaucrats seem intransigent and spiteful, but at the end of the day we can allow in or out of the UK whatever goods we want. It will be up to the EU whether they allow goods in - no democracy refuses to allow goods out unless they represent a security risk, and a few nuts and bolts coming back to euroland as a wing dont fall into this category. Can anyone explain why a european country would refuse to allow an airbus wing to come in??????
Airbus's largest shareholders are the Germans and French who are on the other side of the negotiating table. If you believe this is a non political announcement you really are naive. The reality is we will leave the EU well before Airbus or any other major EU company can shift any production. What thy subsequently do will depend on their experience and instructions from their political masters after March 2019, not their posturing beforehand. The worry is the EU will try to punish the UK by closing their borders. We have the freedom to keep our borders open to goods. This will hurt euroland as much as the UK.
Lets try to have a sensible debate
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The issue is not political, it is practical. What regulatory structure will Airbus be operating out of the UK with? How much import/export levvy will be charged for components manufactured in a nation with no trade agreement? What will the labour laws mean for productivity?
It's all too much of a risk when, In a globalised economy, Airbus are obviously realising fools cannot be reasoned with and the lower risk option is to cut their losses. And to be honest, with loons like rees-mogg, Boris and thicko Davis at the con, can you really blame them?
And I've been UK based since my overseas UK tax paying overseas tour in the military years ago.
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The more direct and knock-on negative effects you read about makes one realize how much the Brexiters were misinformed.
Same situation in the states with our orange-tinted movement, really.
They were not expecting this outcome. They voted because of immigration and they did not think on beyond that. It has not sunk in yet — everyone is just stunned.”
Simply staggering stupidity. I'd call it natural selection, if it weren't bringing down the other half with them.
Simply staggering stupidity. I'd call it natural selection, if it weren't bringing down the other half with them.
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Not at all. It's a practical fact. Brexiteers, the majority of who are within zimmerframe distance of the pearly gates will be soon gone. Or certainly enough of them, to then get a reunification referendum in. I predict a maximum of 5 years before the nuclear wasteland that will result from brexit will be reversed.
And once enough do, the majority of sensible younger people will crucify the remainder of whom voted for this madness.
It's bad enough that a generation that will become dependent on a health service that had over a 30% immigrant workforce didn't figure that they were voting in a reduced service.
Ah well, I guess Darwin was right.
And once enough do, the majority of sensible younger people will crucify the remainder of whom voted for this madness.
It's bad enough that a generation that will become dependent on a health service that had over a 30% immigrant workforce didn't figure that they were voting in a reduced service.
Ah well, I guess Darwin was right.
My € 20 against your € 5 that there'll be no EU to rejoin by the time the snowflake generation have managed to stop hallucinating.
The original Common Market, on the other hand, absolutely - and if that was still the case today, without the political bolleaux that it has now become, Airbus et al wouldn't have caused this thread.
I can't comment on the NHS, other than to point out that the UK Government, whether in our out of the EU, will be free to 'import' as many EU and non-EU nationals as it needs post-Brexit, whether for the NHS or any other industry. Hospitals in Portugal are staffed 35% plus by Cubans and Angolans because of the number of Portuguese medics working outside of Portugal. Hospitals here are staffed 25% plus by medics from Nth Africa and the Middle East, mainly because they're cheaper than French nationals but also because many of them have left to work in UAE.
The NHS in the UK is hardly unique in needing to employ both EU nationals and non-EU nationals, when required, to meet patient demand.
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Most of the Brexit crowd seem to be silent on the topic of their employment status. My guess is that most of them are retired and thus imuune to the obvious economic consequences of Brexit.
They remind me of first world war Generals. Safely behind lines and ready to fight to the last man in persuit of victory. (This BTW is meant metaphorically. I'm actually referring to the apparent lack of concern for potential job losses felt by those who are retired.)
They remind me of first world war Generals. Safely behind lines and ready to fight to the last man in persuit of victory. (This BTW is meant metaphorically. I'm actually referring to the apparent lack of concern for potential job losses felt by those who are retired.)
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Brexit, of course, is small bikkies compared to Trump's ever extending trade war.
Especially as he doesn't like the EU.
Especially as he doesn't like the EU.
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Short term can anything be delivered out of the UK from next year if we crash out of the EU. Long term the problem for the UK in the future is if RR want to increase production do you do it in the UK or in Germany or at Seletar. Then maybe you have to make cuts: maybe the UK line is more difficult to get stuff from because of the customs paperwork or whatever. It's a competitive market for this high tech work and common rules across the EU, partly written by the UK, was one of our strengths.
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The staunchly pro soft Brexit (= remain) BBC gleefully led on the "news" that BAe "might" leave the UK or the wings might be built elsewhere but that's not what their spokesperson actually said is it? After we leave the wings will still be EASA compliant and we already have a trusted trader scheme to allow seamless border transfers. The lady also stated that the workforce was the most productive in the network. Airbus have enough to worry about with, for example, the lack of 380 sales so are unlikely to contemplate the mammoth task of relocating the wing plants to mainland Europe. Businesses do not like uncertainty but, as nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, this is unavoidable. To all remoaners I would just like to remind you that the largest vote in our history came out as a vote to leave the EU and that is hard brexit. We have an extremely mature system of government which served us well until Heath handed us over to the anti democratic EU. We also have an excellent judicial system which does not need any interference from the EU. The best interests of the UK will be served if we get on with our withdrawal, accept the result of the referendum and remember what we are capable of. We may no longer be what we once were but we are more than capable of running our own affairs.
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[QUOTE=Kerosene Kraut;10179789]What will RR do after Brexit? Move engine fabrication to the continent?
Perhaps they need to make power plants that work properly first? RB211..... Trent.......
Perhaps they need to make power plants that work properly first? RB211..... Trent.......