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British try to act tough

Old 30th Mar 2018, 19:07
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British try to act tough

https://www.rt.com/news/422811-brita...a-provocation/



What do professional pilots feel about allowing foreign police to search an aircraft without supervision?

Would YOU fly this plane after strangers have roamed all over it?
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 19:16
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Originally Posted by piesupper View Post
https://www.rt.com/news/422811-brita...a-provocation/



What do professional pilots feel about allowing foreign police to search an aircraft without supervision?

Would YOU fly this plane after strangers have roamed all over it?
It sounds to me like you're on the wrong side?
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 19:29
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ICAO Article 16. The Right to search aircraft.
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If it happened I would have thought it would have been all over PPRuNe by now.
RT is state owned and as such is the Kremlin's mouthpiece.
As Donald would say 'Fake News'
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 19:42
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It's not "foreign police" - its a piece of Russian owned machinery on UK soil - not an Embassy

And I'd say the same if it was BA in Russia..................
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 19:55
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Met police says no:

Originally Posted by Metropolitan Police - Twitter
We are aware of a story circulating on social media. Please be advised that Metropolitan Police are not conducting a search of an Airbus inbound from Moscow at Heathrow.
Meanwhile, the Home Office is "looking into it", according to (sorry) The Mirror.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 20:07
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Originally Posted by piesupper View Post
https://www.rt.com/news/422811-brita...a-provocation/



What do professional pilots feel about allowing foreign police to search an aircraft without supervision?

Would YOU fly this plane after strangers have roamed all over it?
Happens every time we enter Russia when military looking chaps speaking no english clamber on - usually with dirty boots walking crud through our biz jet.

Do we cry about it?

No.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 20:32
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I suspect the search is legal. Not sure about insisting the captain stay on the flight deck.

The last time I was in Russia, on a 45 minute turnround at a remote stand, our passports were taken away, and an armed guard prevented me from coming down the stairs to supervise the refuel and do the walkround. Only when a superior officer reappeared was I allowed off. No, not in the Soviet era (2004)
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 20:33
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Dry your eyes, OP. I've sort of lost count (well, the number is bigger than five but less than ten) where my 'rights' as a commercial pilot have been violated by foreign states. The 'traditional' ones are retention of passport, non-acceptance of GENDECs etc. Of course, a quick cash payment of 'fees' always seems to clear the way.

PS. I hope they were wearing NBC suits; it seems de-rigeuer when dealing with anything Russian right now.
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Originally Posted by ford cortina View Post
If it happened I would have thought it would have been all over PPRuNe by now.
RT is state owned and as such is the Kremlin's mouthpiece.
As Donald would say 'Fake News'
Very much so. Anything RT report has to be taken as suspect.

Those in the West watching and believing this propaganda mouthpiece are maybe Putin followers?.

The thread title suggests to me this thread is pro-Russian and anti British, as is no doubt the person who started it. Perhaps a move to Russia for this person would be for the best?.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 21:05
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Yes, Russian standard is to collect the passports and disappear for some time, returning them just prior to take-off. This would be “ sorta” news if the plane in question was a “state” aircraft, which it isn’t.

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Old 30th Mar 2018, 21:25
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Originally Posted by polax52 View Post
It sounds to me like you're on the wrong side?
This is about 'sides'? Sounds to me like you're in the wrong century.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 21:50
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Bermuda-registered aircraft. Bermuda is a British territory.
Aeroflotís mistake.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry View Post
its a piece of Russian owned machinery on UK soil
It looks a little bit interesting, really.

Under ICAO, it seems in a number of respects an aircraft is a national of the state in which it is registered. In some respects it resembles territory.

It has various protections by legal convention that would not apply if it was just an ordinary piece of machinery.

Expect others are more expert on all the legalese here.

Accept this wouldn't prevent it being searched, and wonder if it really was.

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Old 30th Mar 2018, 22:09
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The appropriate authorities of each of the contracting States shall have the right, without unreasonable delay, to search aircraft of the other contracting States on landing or departure, and to inspect the certificates and other documents prescribed by this convention.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 23:24
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CV has it right. And besides, where was the aircraft registered? And under whose flag does it fly? So tell me again how the huge, mighty Russian state was humiliated by an insignificant, puny country like the UK? Sounds more like an own goal to me

And while we are here, why does the national airline from a country competent at building aircraft fly Airbus products? And why does the country with robust commercial law have to register it in the decadent West?

There again, maybe this wasnít a search and the police were just wiping down the handles to the toilets? And who exactly is the OP? Appears to watch a great deal of RT for a Jock? The politics are the same but itís probably better than watching fishy thin lips.

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Old 30th Mar 2018, 23:26
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I would be on the phone to the duty management pilot quick sharp, just to let the grown ups back home know what was happening, especially if it was not just a standard ramp inspection.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 23:42
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Well knowing how incompetent journalists from RT are, it was probably just a ramp check and some pax wanting his 5 minute of fame.

Russia already gone bankrupt once, letís see how well it goes for them now.
Unfortunately a lot of Russian people are brainwashed and still deluded by stories of Russias/ Soviets grandeur !

Good luck to Russian people, Good Riddance to Putin and his KGB mafia
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Unfortunately a lot of Russian people are brainwashed and still deluded by stories of Russias/ Soviets grandeur !
I think it likely that there are equally as many who are not, including government officials. Sadly they are not free to express their opinions nor to vote him out. It is indeed a mafia controlled dictatorship.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 00:08
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...itís against regulations to inspect an aircraft in the absence of the crew.
Reeaally?

I wonder which regulation that is.
So, when the crew have left and waltzed off to their hotel for the night, no police are allowed on board. Cleaners, engineers, dispatchers, loaders and catering, but no rozzers. What a load of old дерьмо !
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