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I doubt very much that the CAA has the capability to become a sovereign authority anytime soon. It has become largely a rubber stamp dept. of EASA and doesn't like the idea of having to 'do' legislation. It has become de-skilled, which I suspect is true of many government agencies in the Uk.
As for legacy European flag carriers welcoming alien pilots? You're 'aving a laugh!
As for legacy European flag carriers welcoming alien pilots? You're 'aving a laugh!
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Getting back to the original question, why would Brexit effect the working relationship with EASA? Other " European "countries that are not members of the EU have working relationships with EASA.. It does not make any financial sense to re-write the FTLS etc etc, they took years to implement and will take years to change and I doubt the CAA has any stomach for this level of admin when it makes no practical sense...The question of pilot recruitment and language is another issue, why would the French and Germans require EASA english language proficiency!
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One of my mates was just recruited by Air France, he's Swedish. I find it odd that you moan (incorrectly) about EASA FTLs being unscientific, yet fail to do any of your own research about Air France recruitment. Somewhat hypocritical, eh?
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Article on sky news mentioning this figure is here:
https://news.sky.com/story/govt-to-s...-line-11151049
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Getting back to the original question, why would Brexit effect the working relationship with EASA? Other " European "countries that are not members of the EU have working relationships with EASA.. It does not make any financial sense to re-write the FTLS etc etc, they took years to implement and will take years to change and I doubt the CAA has any stomach for this level of admin when it makes no practical sense...The question of pilot recruitment and language is another issue, why would the French and Germans require EASA english language proficiency!
For example my understanding is EASA FTLs are due their review to see if they need changing this year. I bet we don’t get as much as a crumb at the dinner table when it comes to making hard and fast decisions as to the long term shape and structure.
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Quite so - better the devil you know!
Returning to a pre-EASA system would inevitably require more people to be employed by the CAA, which is now far smaller than it was 10 years ago. The employment of extra staff would inevitably mean higher costs; as the CAA is not directly funded by HMG, such costs would be met from higher fees for the end user - i.e. industry.
But there are 'Brexit means brexit' political voices such as Gove, Johnson, Fox and Shapps who might not understand the implications of leaving EASA, if their current track record is anything to go by....
In response to the FT's article on 19 March ('MPs warn of Brexit damage to UK aerospace'), Andrew Haines said:
“Both the Government and the CAA have been clear that our collective preference is to remain a member of the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) once the UK formerly withdraws from the European Union. The international nature of aviation regulation has improved safety outcomes for passengers, and it is important we retain as much influence as possible in this global system.
In a speech I gave in September 2017, I was clear that I believe the UK should not be planning for a new independent aviation safety system. If continued membership of EASA is unachievable, we should adopt the existing EASA regulatory system, rather than developing a new framework from scratch. This option is available to any third-party country, and is one that, I believe, would provide clarity and certainty for the aviation industry.”
“Both the Government and the CAA have been clear that our collective preference is to remain a member of the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) once the UK formerly withdraws from the European Union. The international nature of aviation regulation has improved safety outcomes for passengers, and it is important we retain as much influence as possible in this global system.
In a speech I gave in September 2017, I was clear that I believe the UK should not be planning for a new independent aviation safety system. If continued membership of EASA is unachievable, we should adopt the existing EASA regulatory system, rather than developing a new framework from scratch. This option is available to any third-party country, and is one that, I believe, would provide clarity and certainty for the aviation industry.”
Returning to a pre-EASA system would inevitably require more people to be employed by the CAA, which is now far smaller than it was 10 years ago. The employment of extra staff would inevitably mean higher costs; as the CAA is not directly funded by HMG, such costs would be met from higher fees for the end user - i.e. industry.
But there are 'Brexit means brexit' political voices such as Gove, Johnson, Fox and Shapps who might not understand the implications of leaving EASA, if their current track record is anything to go by....
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Plus I cannot see large UK based airlines operating mostly in or even inside the EU ( e.g Easyjet) wanting to operate under 2 sets of rules in the future.
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English is one of the official ICAO languages. I suspect there are at least a handful of the other 27, besides FR/DE, that would like to maintain English as an EASA language. Ireland, Malta, Cyprus. The Scandinavians, Finland. Iceland and Benelux as well would likely wish to maintain the status quo.
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Even Turkey is trying to model their FTLs on EASA regulations, probably as they feel this gives the warm and cosy vibes to potential Ex Pats, they even insist of ELP levels, quite the contrast to the Germans and French whom would rather we put the language in a pipe and smoke it!
I think Turkey follows EASA rules to strenghten their case about joining the EU, but of course I could be wrong about that.
Regarding English I don't think it will be dropped, at least not any time soon.
Maybe EASA could instead start dropping those silly measuring units which are a source of great confusion and start using the metric system only.
That would certainly be a welcome improvement....
Regarding English I don't think it will be dropped, at least not any time soon.
Maybe EASA could instead start dropping those silly measuring units which are a source of great confusion and start using the metric system only.
That would certainly be a welcome improvement....
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Maybe EASA could instead start dropping those silly measuring units which are a source of great confusion and start using the metric system only.
. ! Good one !
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Why should remaining in EASA be "rainbow flying unicorn territory "?? Several non-EU nations have been members for decades. We are already in full compliance with all EASA regulations and happy to keep doing so. Clearly there'll have to be some system for that. This is turning into another classic remoan thread.
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Getting back to the original question, why would Brexit effect the working relationship with EASA? Other " European "countries that are not members of the EU have working relationships with EASA.. It does not make any financial sense to re-write the FTLS etc etc, they took years to implement and will take years to change and I doubt the CAA has any stomach for this level of admin when it makes no practical sense...The question of pilot recruitment and language is another issue, why would the French and Germans require EASA english language proficiency!
I understand that at some point in the future bi-lateral agreements will be negotiated but we don't know how restrictive that will be. Certainly there will be a campaign by Lufthansa and Air France to prevent a good deal for British Airlines.
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I am looking forward to seeing what will happen.
If I catch correctly, most of British people believe that they could exercise all privileges in club without paying admission.
Please enlightened us how you will achieve:
-Unrestricted market access
-no regulation issues( i.e use all current regulation with open possibility to take part in creating new ones
-mutual recognitions of licences
- Open labour market
.....
Without settling down final authority for disputes and pay adequate fees.
How????
If I catch correctly, most of British people believe that they could exercise all privileges in club without paying admission.
Please enlightened us how you will achieve:
-Unrestricted market access
-no regulation issues( i.e use all current regulation with open possibility to take part in creating new ones
-mutual recognitions of licences
- Open labour market
.....
Without settling down final authority for disputes and pay adequate fees.
How????
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I am looking forward to seeing what will happen.
If I catch correctly, most of British people believe that they could exercise all privileges in club without paying admission.
Please enlightened us how you will achieve:
-Unrestricted market access
-no regulation issues( i.e use all current regulation with open possibility to take part in creating new ones
-mutual recognitions of licences
- Open labour market
.....
Without settling down final authority for disputes and pay adequate fees.
How????
If I catch correctly, most of British people believe that they could exercise all privileges in club without paying admission.
Please enlightened us how you will achieve:
-Unrestricted market access
-no regulation issues( i.e use all current regulation with open possibility to take part in creating new ones
-mutual recognitions of licences
- Open labour market
.....
Without settling down final authority for disputes and pay adequate fees.
How????
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Cap 371 was based on decades of research and scientific study that the CAA listened to and then adapted the rules. I don’t think EASA listen to anybody apart from the airlines. They exemplify everything that is wrong with the EU.
It is the OLD CAA guys that seem to prefer personal "observations" over scientific data: we always did it like that so hence it is good....
Are they there yet? Nope, will they ever be there? Well there is moaning about any authority so I don't expect miracles but they are at least trying!
EASA showcases everything that Europe CAN do if we work together and give it time!