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Old 19th Aug 2017, 17:05
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Jet2 flight shadowed by French jet

BBC reporting that a Jet2 flight was shadowed by a French airforce fighter for no apparent reason whilst on route to BHX.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 17:14
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Brexit fun...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-h...ester-40987642
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 17:37
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For no reason?

Hmmm.
Well,considering all the fine RT that goes on in Europe these days.
PLOC, Prolonged Los Of Contact also called napptime..??
Crew forgot to tell Company, hope they saved the 2 hrs CVR to prove them innocent.

If , on the otherhand the Airforce is up to the old tricks they used pull in the coldwar , I suggest they stop ASAP.
PAX is nervous enough as it is.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 19:04
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There was no suggestion of loss of contact in the BBC report and Jet2 are said to be seeking an explanation. FAF have some previous: They did an unannounced and impromptu intercept practice on a U.K. airliner a year or so ago...but forgot to turn off TCAS triggering a climb in their unfortunate victim
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 20:22
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...but forgot to turn off TCAS triggering a climb in their unfortunate victim
If the TCAS is telling you to do one thing and the intercept procedures are telling you to do another, which do you do?


And if it's "follow the TCAS", do the military pilots (of whichever random nation you happen to be flying over) understand that?
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 20:23
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Shot one , FAF jets have no TCAS, you meant Transponder surely.
as I can see this was not an interception but looks like a verification. maybe following a direct too close from , or overflying a sensitive area..or just an exercise/practice.
Air defense can do theses things , they normally do not give reasons.
Do not Forget France is still in a State of emergency following the terrorist attacks..
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Gertrude :
If the TCAS is telling you to do one thing and the intercept procedures are telling you to do another, which do you do?
The current intercept procedures are that the Fighter turn off its transponder before escorting the aircraft. If you are being intercepted and have acknowledged the intercept , you follow the fighter you see, period. The other one behind is controlling that you do not do anything else.
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Verification? ..Really? I'd be delighted to hear a genuine security rationale for this.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 20:52
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Perhaps they won't want to tell you
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It is routine, unless the subject aircraft has made some infringement, in which case they might well follow it up.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 21:35
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It's certainly not routine anywhere other than France. And I stand by the question on the security rationale. If there was information anyone on board posed a threat then why was the flight allowed to depart Malaga an hour earlier? And even if half of IS was on board how would a few minutes impromptu formation flying "verify" it?
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 21:45
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It used to be that any practice intercept was controlled by the civilian controller, who would keep you informed. "Five miles astern, has you visual, will be positioning on your port side". Didn't happen often, but was always interesting. Presumably good practice for the fighters as well.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 22:36
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Lost comms for one reason or another I would imagine. I doubt Jet2 wish to tell the BBC what happened just yet. Not the first time it's happened and it won't be the last.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 23:25
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The ATCO may pass on the request, but this is a function of the Sector Operation Centre and would be performed by an Intercept Controller who would not have access to VHF.

By the time you reached UK airspace, in all probability, you would have been tracked by air defence missile systems across europe albeit with the firing circuits disarmed, Nike, Hercules, Bloodhound, Hawk, Patriot etc and they wouldn't have bothered asking.

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Brest ATC were calling them for at least 20 mins. Other Jet2 flights tried to contact them. It sounded like the usual PLOC.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 23:42
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Indeed judge and Basil..I always wondered if the Britannia 737 we did a VID on off Ottringham one night many years ago had pax on board.....TBF we were suitably discrete....

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They used to come and look at the tanker/fighter trails we flew across France reasonably often. We assumed this was to check we were sticking to tanking in the designated refuelling areas. We gave a M2000 some fuel once.
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Jet2 have some very old 737s that are probably not as reliable as other aircraft. I have heard others helping with relay even on VHF quite a bit this year.

On Thursday there was one heading oceanic from The Canaries who coud not reach anyone. Others were using the same frequencies without issue. He did the entire route through relay on 121.5. About time they incorporated some sensible HF checks on the ground. Airmanship and all that.

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This was a MLG to BHX flight so it would have been one of the brand new -800s. The -300s that will be left next year are all younger than the oldest -800s out there. It isn't aircraft age that was the problem. The French controllers I had that day had quite thick accents to be fair. my F/O struggled to get the frequencies right...
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