"House OKs Bill to Arm Airline Pilots"
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Uncle Paul -
WELCOME to the PPrune Forums. I like your comment a lot!
And I am in agreement with it.
WhatsaLizad? - Glad to see that you fly for the best airline in the world!
My handle should tell which one I favor by a 99+ % majority.
USA Ppruners - Amazing isn't it how the folks from the OTHER SIDE OF THE POND mostly line up on the against side and we mostly (notice I said mostly 411A) are the opposite..
Well, that ought to bring out the hardhats and flak jackets, eh?
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WELCOME to the PPrune Forums. I like your comment a lot!
And I am in agreement with it.WhatsaLizad? - Glad to see that you fly for the best airline in the world!
My handle should tell which one I favor by a 99+ % majority.USA Ppruners - Amazing isn't it how the folks from the OTHER SIDE OF THE POND mostly line up on the against side and we mostly (notice I said mostly 411A) are the opposite..
Well, that ought to bring out the hardhats and flak jackets, eh?
ps - please see the signature line below folks
So how's this going to work with the average airport security muppet?
"You can take the Magnum 44 in with you, but sorry Sir, we will have to have your nail file".
Hmmmm!
"You can take the Magnum 44 in with you, but sorry Sir, we will have to have your nail file".
Hmmmm!
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Quickest way to get shot..!!
Remember.....The quickest way to get shot shot is to carry a gun.
Our collegues of Uncle Sam kill and mame more of there own each year than does anyone else.........
Let us all know when this arming takes place........and the load factor on Non US Carriers will increase.
Its good rumour that El AL pilots are protected by at least 2....or 3 Marshalls on each flight.....and two reinforced cabin doors with an airlock between...........
Our collegues of Uncle Sam kill and mame more of there own each year than does anyone else.........
Let us all know when this arming takes place........and the load factor on Non US Carriers will increase.
Its good rumour that El AL pilots are protected by at least 2....or 3 Marshalls on each flight.....and two reinforced cabin doors with an airlock between...........
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Uncle Paul.......
Hey Uncle....
Not quite sure in what you lead.........Oh thats right:
You lead to the highest national debt per capita.
You lead in the largest prison population per capita.
You lead in the highest muder rate
The highest slums
Involved in most wars........
And what has all that got to do with aviation.........not much...
Did you also know that Airbus and Eurocopter now lead!!!!
Not quite sure in what you lead.........Oh thats right:
You lead to the highest national debt per capita.
You lead in the largest prison population per capita.
You lead in the highest muder rate
The highest slums
Involved in most wars........
And what has all that got to do with aviation.........not much...
Did you also know that Airbus and Eurocopter now lead!!!!
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Old American saying;
“Never bring a knife to a gun fight.”
Now why am I not surprised this has turned into a typical anti-American thread.
WOW, surprise, surprise!
Oh, yeah red wine, ah never mind, you're not worth it.
I really don't think that all of you are getting the concept of having the pilots armed.
It is the threat of the pilots being armed. It will make a hijacker think twice. (works for El Al)
(edited myself Danny, no worries.)
“Never bring a knife to a gun fight.”
Now why am I not surprised this has turned into a typical anti-American thread.
WOW, surprise, surprise!
Oh, yeah red wine, ah never mind, you're not worth it.
I really don't think that all of you are getting the concept of having the pilots armed.
It is the threat of the pilots being armed. It will make a hijacker think twice. (works for El Al)
(edited myself Danny, no worries.)
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AA SLF
Whilst some of those making stupid anti-American remarks appear to come from the British side of the pond, if you look again you'll see that many are not. We don't have a monopoly!
con-pilot
Thanks for adopting a mature approach. I hope other Americans follow your example.
You've obviously remembered anyone with an e-mail address can register with Pprune - people aren't required to demonstrate they can argue intelligently and/or keep their prejudices under control.
To the America bashers
If you want to criticise American policy, it can be done without childish comments - as Hood has done.
Provocative remarks tend to provoke - simple fact of life. If they continue, the discussion will inevitably degenerate. If that happens, and the thread has to be closed, don't forget who started yet another slanging match.
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Whilst some of those making stupid anti-American remarks appear to come from the British side of the pond, if you look again you'll see that many are not. We don't have a monopoly!
con-pilot
Thanks for adopting a mature approach. I hope other Americans follow your example.
You've obviously remembered anyone with an e-mail address can register with Pprune - people aren't required to demonstrate they can argue intelligently and/or keep their prejudices under control.
To the America bashers
If you want to criticise American policy, it can be done without childish comments - as Hood has done.
Provocative remarks tend to provoke - simple fact of life. If they continue, the discussion will inevitably degenerate. If that happens, and the thread has to be closed, don't forget who started yet another slanging match.
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Sorry Con-Pilot....
My intention was never to raise our hackles.....but rather to correct the self serving statements of a few......Uncle Paul settle down.
My point is that the more guns, knives, bombs there are........the more people will suffer........the idea of arming pilots will attract the support of those that think carrying guns in supermarkets or whilst walking the kids to school will make the world a safer place.......rubbish.
The facts that I quoted suggest that its just the opposite.......not my facts neither.....straight from the Net........thats if you can believe anything on the www.
If the airline you fly for.....or the airline that you fly with, still has one of those thin pathetic cabin doors that any old lady could kick open [thats if its locked].......then please place the pressure on the airline to fix that problem......after all any old downtown bank has a strong door on its safe...and thats only money !!!!
Not sure if you saw the unofficial list of the most respected professions in the world [think it was the Bulliten Magazine].....yes pilots were number one.........politicians number forty nine....[just above drug dealers at 50].........so lets not ever tarnish that image by becoming pistol packing pilot policeman....leave that to the experts.
My intention was never to raise our hackles.....but rather to correct the self serving statements of a few......Uncle Paul settle down.
My point is that the more guns, knives, bombs there are........the more people will suffer........the idea of arming pilots will attract the support of those that think carrying guns in supermarkets or whilst walking the kids to school will make the world a safer place.......rubbish.
The facts that I quoted suggest that its just the opposite.......not my facts neither.....straight from the Net........thats if you can believe anything on the www.
If the airline you fly for.....or the airline that you fly with, still has one of those thin pathetic cabin doors that any old lady could kick open [thats if its locked].......then please place the pressure on the airline to fix that problem......after all any old downtown bank has a strong door on its safe...and thats only money !!!!
Not sure if you saw the unofficial list of the most respected professions in the world [think it was the Bulliten Magazine].....yes pilots were number one.........politicians number forty nine....[just above drug dealers at 50].........so lets not ever tarnish that image by becoming pistol packing pilot policeman....leave that to the experts.
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Heliport -
THANK YOU for bringing some moderation to this thread. Well said.
Please note - I did not specify a particular "pond". Last I looked the USA had a very large pond to our West, as well as to our East. I was very careful in that regard.
The UK certainly does not have a majority on a certain position, this is a very divided issue here in the USA as well.
Again - THANK YOU for the intercession.
THANK YOU for bringing some moderation to this thread. Well said.
Please note - I did not specify a particular "pond". Last I looked the USA had a very large pond to our West, as well as to our East. I was very careful in that regard.
The UK certainly does not have a majority on a certain position, this is a very divided issue here in the USA as well.
Again - THANK YOU for the intercession.
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Wino [post deleted]
I've been trying to ensure that this thread:
(1) isn't ruined by bigots making offensive, and extremely provocative, generalisations about other countries;
(2) doesn't degenerate into a childish slanging match; and
(3) doesn't have to be closed.
For all three of those reasons, I've deleted your post.
Your offensive comments about Europeans are not acceptable in this discussion. I suggest you try JetBlast if you wish to pursue them - yet again.
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All contributors
In my previous post I warned against using this thread as an excuse for making silly anti-American comments because they were the cause of the problem at the time.
It simply didn't occur to me it would be necessary to explain that my comments were not an open invitation to intellectually-challenged Americans to make offensive, and extremely provocative, generalisations about Europeans.
I was obviously wrong.
I hope it's clear now.
Heliport
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I've been trying to ensure that this thread:
(1) isn't ruined by bigots making offensive, and extremely provocative, generalisations about other countries;
(2) doesn't degenerate into a childish slanging match; and
(3) doesn't have to be closed.
For all three of those reasons, I've deleted your post.
Your offensive comments about Europeans are not acceptable in this discussion. I suggest you try JetBlast if you wish to pursue them - yet again.
Edited to add .....
All contributors
In my previous post I warned against using this thread as an excuse for making silly anti-American comments because they were the cause of the problem at the time.
It simply didn't occur to me it would be necessary to explain that my comments were not an open invitation to intellectually-challenged Americans to make offensive, and extremely provocative, generalisations about Europeans.
I was obviously wrong.
I hope it's clear now.
Heliport
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Wino - Part of post deleted yet again!
Your childish introductory comment was completely unfounded and demonstrates that you are unable or unwilling to understand why your earlier post was deleted.
I'm not prepared to waste any more time deleting/editing your posts.
Either keep to the rules or you'll be banned from 'Reporting Points'. Simple as that!
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I believe that the congress has done the right thing. A new series of procedures and equiptment will result including possibly the addition of an armory either on the aircraft or at originating and terminating airports for flight deck
As to whether pax will increase or decrease. I would suggest that we allow the market to bear that out. Some my go up some may go down, but by and large people shop price convienience and brand and even things like safety don't overide a fare sale or frequent flier miles.
Cheers
Wino
Your childish introductory comment was completely unfounded and demonstrates that you are unable or unwilling to understand why your earlier post was deleted.
I'm not prepared to waste any more time deleting/editing your posts.
Either keep to the rules or you'll be banned from 'Reporting Points'. Simple as that!
Heliport
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I believe that the congress has done the right thing. A new series of procedures and equiptment will result including possibly the addition of an armory either on the aircraft or at originating and terminating airports for flight deck
As to whether pax will increase or decrease. I would suggest that we allow the market to bear that out. Some my go up some may go down, but by and large people shop price convienience and brand and even things like safety don't overide a fare sale or frequent flier miles.
Cheers
Wino
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No sweat Red Wine, I’ll buy the first round.
But I still have the fear of how rescue personnel will be able to gain quick access to the cockpit if the need should arise when these armored cockpit doors are installed. I realize that I don’t fly airliners anymore, but things can change. Just a thought.
Take care.
But I still have the fear of how rescue personnel will be able to gain quick access to the cockpit if the need should arise when these armored cockpit doors are installed. I realize that I don’t fly airliners anymore, but things can change. Just a thought.
Take care.
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'Finger trouble'
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Once you've deleted your post - even unintentionally when adding something - it's lost. If it helps you recreate it, your main points were:
(1) If we make too many changes to our lifestyles in response to terrorist threats, the terrorsts have won anyway.
(2) You condemned the terrorist atrocities against the US (which you described as a 'great country') but suggested that as part of the effort to reduce the risk of terrorist actions against its citizens, the US government should look at the potential consequences of its foreign policy, in particular supporting Sharon's actions in the Middle East instead of maintaining a neutral peace-making role as a super-power.
There was more, but that should be enough to get you started!
Once you've deleted your post - even unintentionally when adding something - it's lost. If it helps you recreate it, your main points were:
(1) If we make too many changes to our lifestyles in response to terrorist threats, the terrorsts have won anyway.
(2) You condemned the terrorist atrocities against the US (which you described as a 'great country') but suggested that as part of the effort to reduce the risk of terrorist actions against its citizens, the US government should look at the potential consequences of its foreign policy, in particular supporting Sharon's actions in the Middle East instead of maintaining a neutral peace-making role as a super-power.
There was more, but that should be enough to get you started!
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One area no one seems to have touched on:
The SAS, delta Force and German GSG9 spend months and months locked away practicising the art of suppressing terrorists in an airliner cabin;just think of the split second judgement and high levels of markmanship involved (anyone who has fired a 9mm pistol rapidly will attest to this, its not easy to stay on target) so what training will be given to pilots ?whose gonna pay?And as it is a perishable skill they will probably need a range session more often than a sim ride !
I can't see this coming to fruition: especially with the legal practices of the USA. Can you imagine it, the F/O tries to shoot a terrorist and drills aunty mabel instead: he gets sued, so does the captain,airline, aircraft manufacturer etc...........
The SAS, delta Force and German GSG9 spend months and months locked away practicising the art of suppressing terrorists in an airliner cabin;just think of the split second judgement and high levels of markmanship involved (anyone who has fired a 9mm pistol rapidly will attest to this, its not easy to stay on target) so what training will be given to pilots ?whose gonna pay?And as it is a perishable skill they will probably need a range session more often than a sim ride !
I can't see this coming to fruition: especially with the legal practices of the USA. Can you imagine it, the F/O tries to shoot a terrorist and drills aunty mabel instead: he gets sued, so does the captain,airline, aircraft manufacturer etc...........