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USA Today: UA forcibly remove random pax from flight

Old 28th Apr 2017, 11:56
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Originally Posted by hunterboy View Post
What sort of figure would have made it worthwhile for United?
There United didn't have the first punch advantage.
I suppose all was handled by Dr. Dao's attorneys, under Dr.Dao's CONDITIONS.
Worthwhile?
The shorter this case was on the spot, the better for United.
Figures aren't (IMHO) important in the long range of business...
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 11:59
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Leaving the merits of this case aside, Airlines better brace themselves for emboldened passengers doing what they like and when challenged by the crew demanding recompense.
I see it's already started on a LGW KIN.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 12:19
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Airlines better brace themselves for emboldened passengers doing what they like and when challenged by the crew demanding recompense
Pax cannot do what they like. If its illegal the judge will determine their sentence or fine, as many of the bogan brigade have already found.

Mr. Dao was quite within his legal rights and did absolutely nothing wrong to receive what he ended up getting aboard the aircraft. Once he said he wasn't volunteering that should have been the end of the matter, and the airline should have found another individual who would have been happy to take whatever was on offer to give up his/her seat.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 12:37
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First movers advantage. I suspect the amount would have been to the tune of $50+ million as a good defence would have cost UA about that much with a chance of a higher Punitive payout from the Jury & a protracted PR nightmare cost.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Flyer View Post
End amount must have been extremely juicy for Dr Dao to agree so fast. "I am going to make you an offer you can't resist"
I just feel sorry for the horse ...
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 13:01
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I see as normal there is the usual no disclosure on the amount but how do you stop it??
A very large amount of money must go through the system so why would banks or investment services not know or even neightbours ??
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 13:40
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Neighbors maybe, but funds transfers that large go thru the ACH as numbered accounts. Probably his local bank would only know thru their personal knowledge of him and his accounts. Blabbing could expose one to substantial penalties, I suspect.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 14:40
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I can see how this is going to play out now. Once a person boards (quite when that actually is is subject to another argument)'they can insist that they are taken to their destination, no ifs, no buts. Any attempt to deplane them afterwards for whatever reason will now involve a fight. The passenger can not lose. If they are whacked they claim, if they are ejected they claim. The grasping public will not believe airlines when they are told an aircraft is unserviceable, weather is out of limits or passenger X has misbehaved. Over the years I've beeen accused of discrimination, lying, stupidity, over-reaction and so forth. It looks like more fun in the coming years.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 16:16
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That's unduly pessimistic IMHO.

A passenger who is violent/disruptive/abusive will still be able to be offloaded under the terms and conditions that he/she accepted when buying their ticket. Yes, you will need to be sure to follow the procedure to the letter, but don't you already do that?

And if a flight is cancelled because of weather or the aircraft goes tech, your bolshie passenger is hardly going to cling to their seat while everybody else disembarks - what would be the point?
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 16:21
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and how is he going to spend his windfall? At 69 (?) his options are a bit limited.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 16:49
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But he does have daughters.

Five children, apparently.

the Dao family has five children, four of whom are doctors in different locations around the United States.

Tim is the oldest child in the family at 34-years old and is a cardiologist in Plano, Texas.
The second son is named Ben and he’s 31. Ben is reportedly a medical graduate while their daughter Christine, 33, is a doctor in Durham, North Carolina.
The youngest of the four doctors in the family is Angela, who is 27 and graduated with a medical degree from the University of Kentucky.

The other daughter is Christine’s twin, Crystal. She’s reportedly a married mother who lives in Barrington, Illinois.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 17:15
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Quite frankly a substantial amount was needed to effect the sea change needed in passenger treatment by airlines in America. I would imagine Munoz (he lost the upcoming Chairmanship position already) would want to take charge and put this thing to bed ASAP.


The amount has to have been large for Dao's lawyers to stop all other action against everyone else they could have charged.

Munoz did the right thing here, to have United take the fall on behalf of everyone else.

United was in a "no win" situation that could have only gotten worse as the wound got deeper and deeper and more infected.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 17:18
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United didn't have the first punch advantage
I guess not - that accolade must go to the 'security' people who decided physical violence was the way to sort it out!
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 18:07
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and how is he going to spend his windfall???? At 69 (?) his options are a bit limited.
I take exception to that. I'm 70, feeling happier and fitter that I have done for a long time, and expect to have many more years yet.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 19:25
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I too am 70. Given such luck I would spend the dosh on having all that skin stretch and bootox business,a set of brand new shining teg implants, Sinatra style hair implants, finish the whole thing off with one of those magnificent sculptured noses and get rid of the scaramouche thing I`ve got. Then get a sculpture made of my bootful body in the starkers and have it planted right there in the middle of every airport terminal in the US.
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