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Peruvian B733 accident, runway excursion, all gear collapsed, aircraft caught fire

Old 29th Mar 2017, 18:59
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I suspect the crew are saying nothing (I don't know about that youtube video). I would say nothing until I had a union rep and a lawyer handy.
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 01:41
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ABC Evening News (USA) reported the speedy, safe evacuation was helped by pax following safety advice: They didn't try to retrieve hand luggage.

This I find a little suspect.

Video: FF to 2:45
http://abc.go.com/shows/world-news-t...-down-in-texas

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Old 30th Mar 2017, 02:23
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Landing view from passenger seat min. 2:22. Tire burst?

https://youtu.be/h4SjjuzS_38?t=142
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 05:27
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That looked a little fast but that wasn't a hard landing.
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 08:08
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It appears that the aircraft departed to the right soon after touchdown and encountered soft ground and a drainage ditch. I think reports that the a/c struck a fence are incorrect. Steering issue seems likely.

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Old 30th Mar 2017, 08:43
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Sounds like another case, like the DHL A300 at Bratislava, where what could have been a relatively damage-free incident was exacerbated by poor airfield design which placed ditches, drains and culverts in close proximity to the runway edge.
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 10:41
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Steering issue seems likely.
Looking at the video taken from the cabin, it seems to me that the right gear collapses just after touchdown. It is perhaps only at that point that the aircraft begins to depart to the right.
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 15:31
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but this is not the first Peruvian B733 to have a RH gear collapse. Cuzco Oct 2015 ?)
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 15:46
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The Air contractor DHL A300 incident at Bratislava was caused by the NLG collapse (Improper maintenance) during rollout. Nothing to do with the airfield design. BTW, the a/c is still there, parked at taxiway D along the rwy 22...


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Sounds like another case, like the DHL A300 at Bratislava, where what could have been a relatively damage-free incident was exacerbated by poor airfield design which placed ditches, drains and culverts in close proximity to the runway edge.
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 15:50
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At that altitude, you don't want to land too slow...seems like a normal landing to me as well, followed by a gear collapse...

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That looked a little fast but that wasn't a hard landing.
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 15:59
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Both parts of the error chain:
The runway excursion was due to the incorrect and undetected re-assembly of the nose gear torque links.

the absence of clear and detailed instructions in the text of the manufacturer’s AMM ...contributed to the incorrect assembly

The absence of any regulation requiring that equipment in the immediate vicinity of a runway or of a runway overrun area be designed so as to limit as much as possible any damage to aeroplanes, in case of a runway excursion, contributed to the accident.
Off topic out.
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 16:11
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Originally Posted by MartinAOA
The Air contractor DHL A300 incident at Bratislava was caused by the NLG collapse (Improper maintenance) during rollout. Nothing to do with the airfield design.
From the investigation report:

"The main landing gear touched the runway about 700 m from the threshold of runway 22. The crew deployed the thrust reversers. About six seconds after the nose gear touched, the crew felt strong vibrations that increased as the speed dropped. At 85 kt, the thrust reversers were retracted. The aeroplane veered towards the left. The PF explained that he applied energetic braking and tried in vain to counter the rocking by using the rudder pedals then the nose gear steering control. He added that the sequence occurred so quickly that he did not think to use differential braking (2) to try to keep the aeroplane on the runway.

The aeroplane exited the runway to the left at a speed of about 45 kt. Its nose gear struck a concrete inspection pit and collapsed. The aeroplane skidded for a few dozen metres before coming to a stop. The crew evacuated the aeroplane. Between the start of the vibrations and the aeroplane stopping, it had rolled about 400 metres."

Lateral runway excursion during landing roll, nose landing gear collapse
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 16:23
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METAR Calm, but clearly a tailwind at time of accident.

Do foreign Met services generate a CRASHOB as routine when an incident/accident occurs?

Certainly the British service did/does?
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 16:26
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You got me there

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Old 30th Mar 2017, 17:01
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Don't worry about it. I'm guessing you may have been misled by the Avherald report on the incident where, in typical fashion, they manage to contradict themselves in the space of a few lines.

First, they assert that "after touch down and during roll out the nose gear collapsed" and then that "the aircraft exited the paved surface of the runway at about 45 knots, the nose gear struck a concrete inspection pit and collapsed".

Accident: Air Contractors A30B at Bratislava on Nov 16th 2012, nose gear collapse on landing, runway excursion

I'd be confused too if I was reading that.
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 20:38
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In what seems to have been a very brief interview with the captain, Dennis Kahn, he is quoted as saying:

"The runway had nothing to do [with the accident]; it seems to have been a technical fault. Up until touchdown everything was normal (...). I tried to stay on the runway but the imbalance of the aircraft to the right overcame me."

“La pista de aterrizaje no tiene nada que ver, aparentemente ha sido una falla técnica. Hasta no pisar suelo todo estaba normal (…) Traté de mantenerme en la pista pero el desequilibrio del avión a lado derecho me ganó”, afirmó.

The link is at Piloto de Peruvian admite desequilibrio en aeronave incendiada en Jauja - Portal de Turismo - Noticias de Turismo, Hotelería, Aviación y Viajes del Perú y el Mundo
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 02:53
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Looking at the terrain (from the video taken from inside), it seems that the area has a lot of surrounding water, hence the requirement for a lot of drains etc.

It also seems the approach was quite fast?
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 10:42
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Anilv, I believe that at an elevation of 3400 metres you will find approach speeds are faster than we are accustomed to at the more conventional sea level or close to sea level airports that you and I may generally fly into.
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 20:21
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New video evidence available:

Flaps 5/10 or 15?


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Old 1st Apr 2017, 00:21
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Looked like a good landing until the RH LNDG collapsed.
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