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Old 10th Jul 2002, 20:06
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Actually, if you knew the REAL reasons behind Cougar being late, you would not make comments like "Cougar being a 3rd rate leasing company". ETD is ACTUALLY 2100 local....... anyway, it's better than not going at all
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Old 10th Jul 2002, 21:37
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Actually, if you knew the REAL reasons behind Cougar being late,
It appears that pax like Hudson Bay have not been informed about this and one can only make an assumption on the post given @ 1929utc. May be cougar is
another Flyby Night Tours airline
your own post on this thread
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don't be so coy...

What is the REAL reason for the delay then?



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Old 10th Jul 2002, 22:25
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The reason, I guess, is commercially sensitive but when a schedule is presented then changed, it doesn't help matters. I did hear that the B727 experienced a technical problem, and that it would not and could not depart with the snag. So from that angle, safety came first and not commercial pressure.

Cougar like most ACMI leasing companies will react to requests in the best ways possible and allowable and carry out the flight accordingly.

If an airline comes to rescue stranded pax like those today at BHX then you can't really blame them for being late. If, in this case, Transjet hadn't stopped operating, then the flight would have operated earlier. Not to schedule I grant you, but earlier.

Now whats this I hear that Transjet are possibly having their AOC re-instated shortly ??
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Old 10th Jul 2002, 22:41
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Thanks Viking9 for your reply

So........if they do have their AoC reinstated, the big question has to be, will they have any customers ??????
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Old 10th Jul 2002, 22:56
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Personally I can't see them regaining their AOC. Passenger and tour operator confidence has been shattered already. I think maybe tour operators need to look deeper into how these "foreign" airlines operate. At the end of the day, it's not just the airlines' reputation that goes down the toilet, passengers start looking at who they book the holidays with. I agree that most punters had never heard of Transjet before they boarded their aircraft but they certainly do now......
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Old 10th Jul 2002, 23:26
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Another fact is that there are not too many UK registered airlines WITH the spare capacity to cover a collapsed programe. Cougar does have capacity apparently, but with only one pax config aircraft, even they would be limited in what they could cover. Have heard though they they start a STN-ZTH-STN service on Sundays commencing this week. Maybe they could pick up some other routes too.

Another sore fact is that the days of UK based tour operators using UK registered airlines as a main, are long gone. Foreign airlines come cheap yes, but look at what happens in the end..... terrible delays, safety concerns, cabin crew walking out and more..... and that's just Transjet.

Maybe the time has come for UK based tour operators to put back the faith in UK airlines that they once had. It's not always about cost. Ultimately though, the passenger will either benefit or suffer...........
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Old 11th Jul 2002, 00:36
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I think maybe tour operators need to look deeper into how these "foreign" airlines operate.
Could we all refrain from generalizations such as this please..
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Old 11th Jul 2002, 00:55
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WHY ?
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Maybe the time has come for UK based tour operators to put back the faith in UK airlines that they once had. It's not always about cost.
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Old 11th Jul 2002, 07:44
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If an airline comes to rescue stranded pax like those today at BHX then you can't really blame them for being late.
Yes they can be blamed. As a leasing company one would expect that the aircraft and crew are available on a standby basis. The necessity to react quickly to a callout reflects in the price of the service provided.

A company knows the disposition and availability of its aircraft and crew on an hourly basis. Hence when a request is submitted the reaction time should all ready be know and the service provided will reflect the nature of the company. This could be first or third rate. QED
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Old 11th Jul 2002, 08:39
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"Engineer"

If you ARE what your name implies then regardless of what preparations you put in place vis-a-vis standby crews etc etc, If you have only one available aircraft and IT brakes down you WILL get delays........

Errr... is this a toughie for you? I KNOW you won't find THAT in a manual but try to think about it.......

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Old 11th Jul 2002, 08:55
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I work for TJ and all we have been told is that this is a temporary measure!?

I should have operated yesterday but was put on SBY the night before...When I spoke to OPS yesterday I was told that there would be nothing today for me...

Nobody seems to know exactly what is in store, but I am led to believe everybody is working together to resolve the problems.

As a matter of fact, working for TJ has been great and they pay better than most charter airlines. Obviously there have been, and still are problems, but the cabin crew are highly experienced, hard working and loyal.

We all hope that this can be turned around and I for one won't be paying too much attention to The Sun and other dailies!

Until we all know what's going on, we shouldn't speculate too much and slag the company off...
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Old 11th Jul 2002, 09:41
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It seems that Cougar was late due to a tech problem caused by the ENGINEERS, so Engineer it seems to be a fault bcoz of someone like you, nuff said
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Old 11th Jul 2002, 10:57
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Brakes are what you apply There are the things at the end of your feet when you sit in a aircraft seat. Hope that one is not to technically tough for you. BTW you will find that one in the manual if you bother to read it

dk

If the engineers caused the problem may be it is time to employ first rate personnel this usually reflect in the company. If as WCF states that it is a single aircraft operation then the commitment point should be a little more flexible as there is no fat in the system.
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Old 11th Jul 2002, 14:39
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And every Airline is perfect, yeah right, eat my hat if you could prove that anyone was
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Old 11th Jul 2002, 14:48
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Well as of a couple of hours ago the Cougar "Super27" was still sitting at BHX- a crew was in attendance but it was apparently terminally ill with an AC bus failure.

Nice looking aircraft though.

Those that scoff at small, niche charter and ACMI operators fail to realise just how good some of these operations are. Not all, of course, some are disaster areas!
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Old 11th Jul 2002, 16:26
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"Engineer"

So you have an eye for detail (when it suits you) but wear the proverbial welders goggles most of the time!! Since you're now the spelling policeman you might like to re-visit your post and pop another "O" in along with the "to" ......

I never said Cougar was a one aircraft operation at all, if you'd like to re-visit my posting and read it without the goggles on.....

How does the old adage go? " I usen't to be able to spel engineer.... now I are one" I ought to know btw - I was one!!... hehe

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Old 11th Jul 2002, 16:45
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In defence of Cougar

To defend Cougar

They did get the Super 27 in the air fairly quickly recently when they were sent to collect the poor school party from Scotland to Barcelona after their coach crashed in France.

I think every would be fairly quick to praise them for those actions. Perhaps critisism should be direct at those that chose Cougar as their only back up.

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Old 11th Jul 2002, 17:04
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???

Why do you guys attack Cougar? This thread is supposed to be about the Transjet AOC being pulled. Or may be I have misunderstood something........
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