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Citywing incident Isle of Man

Old 23rd Feb 2017, 11:35
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Citywing incident Isle of Man

Citywing is what was onces know as Manx2

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citywing belfast has just landed ............



Told to shut down in position by the iom caa !



Fire service at aircraft passengers being bussed to terminal runway closed.



Never heard that .. " from iom caa shut down in position !"

q) egtt/qfalc/iv/nbo/a/000/999/5405n00437w005
b) from: 17/02/23 10:00c) to: 17/02/23 13:00 est

e) aerodrome closed due blocked runway
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 11:47
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Thursday, February 23rd, 2017 11:26am



Citywing aircraft on runway

Ronaldsway Airport is closed until 1pm after an incident involving a Citywing aircraft.

The plane took off but then turned back due to the severe gale force winds.

After landing it remained on the runway and emergency vehicles attended.

Passengers were safely taken back to the terminal by bus.
Airport closed until early afternoon - Manx Radio
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 12:22
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The sprit of Manx2 lives on...
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Rather interesting allegation to make?
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 16:30
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Not a shock at all. Shameful operation hope it's shut down completely.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 23:02
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23rd February 2017

STATEMENT ON INCIDENT ON THE 23rd OF FEBRUARY AND FLIGHT UPDATES FOR THE 24th OF FEBRUARY

Citywing can confirm that Van Air-operated flight 502 took off from the Isle of Man destined for Belfast on Thursday morning but returned due to deteriorating weather conditions in Northern Ireland.

Citywing have been advised by Van Air that the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has requested to speak with Van Air following the incident. Until such discussions take place, hopefully within the next 24-48 hours, the UK CAA has asked Van Air to stop flying. Unfortunately this means that all Citywing flights will be affected until further notice.

David Buck, Managing Director of Citywing said, “Passenger safety has to be the first priority and all such incidents are rightly investigated as a matter of routine. We are working with the flight operator Van Air and relevant authorities to resolve the situation as soon as possible.

Due to this operational disruption Van Air has chartered in a Stansted based Titan Airways 737 to operate the following flights.

V9514 IOM-BELFAST STD1400 STA1430 to accommodate all Isle of Man to Belfast passengers for the day.

V9515 BELFAST-IOM STD1510 STA1540 to accommodate all Belfast to Isle of Man passengers for the day.

V9814 IOM-NEWCASTLE STD1620 STA1655 to accommodate all Isle of Man to Newcastle, Isle of Man to Glasgow and all Isle of Man to Blackpool passengers. Passengers for Glasgow and Blackpool will be provided with surface transport to their destination.

“We apologise in advance for the disruption this will cause to travel plans. We will do our best to keep passengers informed and would ask for your patience and understanding as we deal with this difficult situation at short notice.”

In the first instance this only affects flights for the 24th of February. Citywing will endeavour to contact all passengers but this may take time so we request your patience and understanding. If you have an urgent question please contact our Reservations on tel no: 0871 200 0440 who will be available between 0900 and 1700.

ENDS

NOTES TO EDITORS:
Citywing Aviation Services Ltd, “Citywing”, is an Isle of Man-based company arranging air services from the Isle of Man to Belfast, Blackpool, Glasgow, Newcastle, Gloucester and Jersey. Citywing and its partners employ 50 staff on the Island and carry in excess of 70,000 passengers per year.

Issued by Citywing.

Martin Norbury
Isle of Man Advertising and Public Relations Limited Tel: (01624) 620440
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 06:12
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Do tell Hobbit. Apart from the name, what has changed since Manx2? From what I see it's an almost identical setup is it not? How has the organisation structure and the passenger/agent/airline (which was criticised at the time of their deadly accident) relationship changed since that tragic day?
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 09:19
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Unfortunately Kenfoggo , the same way that the Russian national airline operates French aircraft with Russian crew using FCOM,s written in English referring to aircraft registered in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda !
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Citywing has the same address, same people as manx2

David Buck:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-buck-92526138

Noel Hayes, who has deleted his manx2 role

https://www.linkedin.com/in/noel-hayes-39517317/


Change of ownership and rebrand for Manx2.com - Manx Radio
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And people moan that this industry is "over regulated".
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 11:02
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The aircraft , the Let 410? I understand that no example has been granted a British certificate of airworthiness and so there are none on the British register. Could anyone tell me why and how this "airline" operates exclusively foreign aircraft and foreign crews from British airports to British airports?
Take a look at the EASA rules - presumably these arrangements haven't changed much from the Manx 2 days either.

And people moan that this industry is "over regulated".
Unless, of course, you find a little loophole where no-one seems to have (or believe they have) responsibility for regulating aviation.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 11:25
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What did actually happen here to warrant such a reaction from the authority?

As far as I understand the posts here, the aircraft departed IOM for BFS. So far, so normal. The crew found the weather at BFS not to their liking, so they returned to IOM, which, I presume, was either their nominated alternate or well within their endurance. Again, this is not extraordinary.

But then it gets odd. The aircraft has landed rather normally, appears to be in one piece and not in an unusual position/attitude. Noone mentioned anything about a declared emergency either. It is nevertheless surrounded by emergency vehicles and was told not by ATC, but by CAA, to shut down in position and desist from moving the aircraft under its own power. This would normally, in case of an emergency, be the Captains call and noone elses. And to top this off, the airline has been shut down, at least temporarily, rather quickly.

Why?

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Old 24th Feb 2017, 12:15
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I presume that the CAA wanted to inspect the aircraft without allowing anyone else access to it. In the IOM Van Air is a foreign airline, IOM not being part of the EU, but in the U.K. I would have thought that the CAA can ground individual aircraft but not a carrier properly licensed in another EU country.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 12:19
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It is possible that due to severe winds they were able to land but not taxi and requested to disembark at the runway then got the plane towed.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 12:23
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This has been presented as an instruction rather than Captain's decision.
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If the authority wants to inspect the aircraft, why not choose the traditional way of subjecting it to a SAFA ramp check? If, for some reason, they feel the need for extra safety, they might as well encircle it with police cars and, possibly, escort it from the runway to the parking stand as well.

This story leaves me with a huge question mark over my head...
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 13:29
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In the IOM Van Air is a foreign airline, IOM not being part of the EU, but in the U.K. I would have thought that the CAA can ground individual aircraft but not a carrier properly licensed in another EU country.
The legal situation for something like this is complex. Unless things have changed recently, I think you'll find that the Tynwald has competence in aviation matters. In practice, when someone on the IOM believes there is a need, the UK CAA (and maybe other CAAs or experts sometimes) are asked to offer advice to permit a decision to be made.

For example, and using the UK CAA to illustrate, the IOM may ask the CAA to conduct an inspection or audit of something against, say the UK/EASA regulations and the IOM regs (as I recall, they have an ANO), and the CAA would offer a view on whether or not the IOM arrangements are compliant with the rules, or whether the CAA would issue an approval.

In some areas, the IOM has set up its own bit of a CAA for an aircraft register, and thus conducts/manages its own oversight of the associated rules. From what I have heard (admittedly, it's a small sample) the IOM Civil Aviation Administration is an efficient, helpful and pragmatic regulator - some might say even a shining star amid the darkness all around it!
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 13:37
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Something is missing here I agree. The airline talk about an " incident" but a diversion is not an incident, Also why send emergency vehicles to meet the aircrfat on the taxi way ?
As Tu.114 says : it was a CAA inspection they may use police cars , not fire fighting equipment.
Or did they do something odd on departure or in Belfast ?
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 16:34
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METARs for departure from IOM....

EGNS 230820Z 29029G42KT 5000 -RA FEW006 BKN009 BKN022 07/05 Q0975 TEMPO 3000 RA BKN007

...and arrival back.

EGNS 230920Z 30042G56KT 4000 RA FEW005 BKN011 BKN033 05/03 Q0979 TEMPO 3000 BKN006

From a rumour I have heard, these may be relevant.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 16:52
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What is the runway orientation at IOM, and what is the crosswind limit of the Let?
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