El Al Mayday - Possible Engine Fire. Returns to YYZ
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El Al Mayday - Possible Engine Fire. Returns to YYZ
El Al flight returns to Toronto after engine fire - 680 NEWS
Apparently dumped fuel over Lake Ontario and made a safe landing back in Toronto.
Apparently dumped fuel over Lake Ontario and made a safe landing back in Toronto.
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Audio here nicely edited by Victor at VASAviation:
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/atcavi...ch;attach=9163
FlightRadar24 plot:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f.../ly30/#bf2c1a8
Don't think they dumped fuel with an engine fire indication.
Air Canada 877, a 787, landed just before with a deflated tire indication.
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/atcavi...ch;attach=9163
FlightRadar24 plot:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f.../ly30/#bf2c1a8
Don't think they dumped fuel with an engine fire indication.
Air Canada 877, a 787, landed just before with a deflated tire indication.
The passengers were given food on the plane as Pearson scrambled to assemble staff.
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I agree. I like the request for a twenty-mile final. Time to read and brief the single engine checklist and configure for the flaps 20 overweight landing in strong gusty winds.
Of course, if the light stayed on in the fire handle, I might go to the Cliffs Notes version of the James Michener checklist and take vectors just outside the marker.
Good job.
Of course, if the light stayed on in the fire handle, I might go to the Cliffs Notes version of the James Michener checklist and take vectors just outside the marker.
Good job.
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I listened to the last half of the episode in real time while out Christmas shopping after getting an alert on my phone and didn't review the entire recording.
The verbiage in our books seem to come from earlier versions of this Boeing article that has been updated several times over the years:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...7_article3.pdf
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I assumed that the fact they did dump fuel was an indication that they were satisfied there was no actual fire. Their reference to an engine fire was in the very first stages of the emergency. One would presume that they must have reassessed the situation. Otherwise they would have dived back into YYZ without delay.
Don't worry about max landing weight if you're on fire - or even think you may be. Remember Swissair 111 who were dumping fuel as the molten overhead panel was falling in on them. Cathay 289 took off from Kai Tak many moons ago and had an engine fire which did not extinguish. Capt Colin Baldwin managed to get the aircraft back on the ground in something like 11 minutes, auto landing at just below Max TOW - some 100 tons above MLW. All worked fine and nobody was ever able to beat his 'return time' in the sim.
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Am I the only one who is slightly uncomfortable that the 787 with the deflated tyre indication was allowed to land ahead of the El Al jet on the grounds that they didn't *think* that they would need airport fire services? Especially given that the strong and gusty winds.
El Al were single engine ops, and had requested that they remain close to the airport whilst dumping fuel, presumably to ensure they could land ASAP if the engine fire indication turned out to genuine.
Tyre debris, a brake fire, or even a 787 stuck on the runway with flat tyres could have made that ASAP landing rather more challenging, and tied up rescue services too.
El Al were single engine ops, and had requested that they remain close to the airport whilst dumping fuel, presumably to ensure they could land ASAP if the engine fire indication turned out to genuine.
Tyre debris, a brake fire, or even a 787 stuck on the runway with flat tyres could have made that ASAP landing rather more challenging, and tied up rescue services too.
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Am I the only one who is slightly uncomfortable that the 787 with the deflated tyre indication was allowed to land ahead of the El Al jet on the grounds that they didn't *think* that they would need airport fire services? Especially given that the strong and gusty winds.
At any rate, if there was problem with landing at YYZ, EY30 reported 34.8 tonnes of fuel onboard turning final which would give them plenty of other options (as long as that pesky engine fire indication didn't come back ). The wind was given as 250/20G26 so, in my opinion, stopping would not have been a problem in a B-763 with good braking even without dumping.